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sorin popovici
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 RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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hmm , Flo .... maybe u're right Flo , he's not doing it for free...but still ,he is very
generous with what he knows ....he could have just teach a little falseta ,and play
some of his compositions ...and end and say that's all folks.
I very much like him ... I feel like he's sincere when he says at the end ..."and
stay aficionado ".I mean ....I wont compare other encuentro's cause maybe
they are like that, cause the player maybe doesnt like to teach or he doesnt know.
But still ...I understand that these should be didactical in a way .It says so in
every book .They wanna demonstrate that "flamenco can be learned from books also"
if u are the right reader(Every book opens with denying this "el flamenco no se aprende
in libras").
I dont know about flamenco videos ...but I watched some rock guitar video pretty useless
, like the guy shows up ..and play like hell ...and then say , now u try it  .
My point is Nunez didnt have to do it , to show it all ....he could have just played some
of his compostions and say bye.I imagine for him it would have been quite easy just
to show off, and just for that showoff ...he would have been colecting the money.
So I like him ...cause he's giving u a hand ,like he knows u play bad and he wants to help u.It's rare to find a good teacher like that.
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Date Dec. 20 2005 20:24:44
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to Escribano)
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You'll have to hum it :-) We'll keep on eye on this legislation
Better humming it IMO.
Learn more...
I see it from both sides of the coin.
Everything I have ever uploaded...(although it's always been a link to my own ISP site, so I am ultimately responsible, not this Foro), has always been in the interest of the Artist....to let folk hear something they'd never consider buying...or maybe a clip of a famous guitarist off UK TV that they would never have heard before.
I'm sure the artists concerned would have no truck with that, but as been said in an above post that there are many smarmy lawyers, fresh out of school and chompin' at the bit to make a name for themselves.
"File Sharing", such as (the old) Napster etc, was not only illegal, but immoral IMO.
Everyone has a right to be paid for their creations, ideas, or services if it provides pleasure or benefit to the recipient thereof.
Like the Supermarkets sucking the farmers dry and making them grow crap food at a predetermined low price, we need an introduction of the old "market economy", where
if you had a little shop, or an idea that stimulated people, then you could make a basic living.
The present plan of huge Multi-nationals treading upon the local shops and putting them out of business, while they pay their individual Directors tens of millions of pounds yearly bonuses is frankly the road to destruction IMO.
cheers
Ron
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Date Dec. 20 2005 20:31:44
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sorin popovici
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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For me this disscution is like this.
Teaching it all is kind of a nobile idea and this is a service that u can return to
music ....and who knows because of you ,flamenco will grow ...and new players
will arise and grant a tribute to you...and that's good.
I also understand the other one , who say ...hey , i worked hard for this
please give me the price i'm asking cause I know i deserve it.
I think that u cant be just in a way , u have to live also ...and that's correct.
But comparing some gipsy that has no money and Metallica ...well ,maybe
I'm too used to see the bad in people...maybe Metallica was in just for
the principle and not for the money....but I dont believe it.
Anyway, I'm not thinking just in a way ...i understand i think both sides,
but i'm afraid that they had that position cause of some manager
that said "u know , u are top download in napster,just think of all the
money u could have".I dont contest their position towards naspter,
i just dont like their motivation for having this position.
It's like i dont like machiavelli's saying " the purpose ,justify any means".
I dont know ...this is hard to talk about it , things ...are just the way they are.
Maybe were overdoing this morale thing ...u could end up and believe
that it's imoral to watch tv and eat popcorn...while a kid is starving in Africa.
In the end ..everybody is on his own,and that is the most natural thing
so u cant stop beeing like that(for example i cant stop thinking at chicks  )
Morale is smth u learn and is not smth natural.I can trust myself I will do
always the morale thing....they are times when I'll kill for a cigarette :D.
Btw,has someone seen Dogville and Manderlay (just asking).
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Date Dec. 20 2005 20:54:04
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sorin popovici
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From: Iasi, Romania
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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I am afraid i wont be seeing very son the Gerardo and Paco concert  , but
what's got to do with your post ?
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Maybe now you'll understand my previous posts after seeing both Gerardo and Paco in concert in Scotland this year.
cheers
I dont get it , why say "posts" and not "post" ?I'm sure that u didnt mean all of your
previous posts...but what posts u refer to , I dont know.I'm not looking for
trouble , just I dont know really how to take that question.I really have no clue what
u mean ,maybe it's my english.
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Absolutely Sorin, absolutely.
Well , I have no patent for that ...probably i've read it in a book for poofs .
It's not my fault ...they made me read it in highschool (i am poof but it's
not my fault ...it is the society )
But why make mea culpa Ron , never downloaded a faucher scan ?
I would try to get religious now, but dont know the exact english phrase
"let the ones that are without sin,thow the first stone"(he he he...this is
trully a hard to chalenge statement)
Well ,things are....not gonna resolve very soon ...
When I was in highschool ...i had to take this exam about Plato(we call
him Platon).He has this morale issues in one of his books...u know the one
with the ring?
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The Ring of Gyges is a story written by Plato in an attempt to force the reader to evaluate his or her own sense of morality. In this story, Gyges worked as a shepherd for the king of Lydia. An earthquake opened up the ground where Gyges' flock was feeding. Inside this opening lay a bronze horse with doors. Inside these doors was a dead body with a golden ring. Gyges pulled the ring from the dead and climbed from the hole. He later joined his fellow shepherds to make a regular report to the king about his sheep. As he sat and toyed with his ring, Gyges noticed that when he turned the setting around on his finger he became invisible to all. He then became a messenger from the shepherds to the court; Gyges took his pleasure and seduced the queen. He later conspired with queen and killed the king, taking control of Lydia. After the story is told, Glaucon asks Socrates to imagine that two magic rings exist. A just individual has one ring, and an unjust person holds the other. Glaucon argues that no man could resist the temptation of taking what is not his, therefore the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust. This may affirm to be proof that a man is good, not willingly, but of necessity. If self-indulgence can be practiced without fear of punishment, then the tendency for being unjust will prevail (Jowett 257). What would one do if one possessed a magic ring? One could argue that there is a resemblance between Gyges and President Clinton. The President is a very skillful politician, a master of evasive talk. Plato states, A man who uses his power in the endless pursuit of the delights of the flesh possess the soul of a tyrant. Plato also understood that democracy is susceptible to a certain form of tyranny: the rule of a generous government, catering to the public's needs and wants in exchange for their freedom. Could one associate Plato's idea of a tyrant with the actions of President Clinton? The President has squeezed out of every tight spot in which he has landed. Clinton's cleverness may lead him to think he possesses a Gyges' ring of invincibility. He can allow his passions and sensual desires to tyrannize over his reason and good judgment, without serious repercussions. Because of the power and prestige he has, the President will always be an example -whether for good or bad. If the Chief Executive demonstrates a lack of self-control, what message does it send to the citizens (Owens1)? I have presented Plato's story and ideas, and have attempted to relate the Ring of Gyges to the head of our government today, but one must decide for themselves the true meaning behind this fable. Could Gyges and President Clinton share a sense of invincibility? In search of this answer, one must examine themselves and ask, How would I act if I held the ring of Gyges?
Ok,internet ...is almost like having a Gyges ring, u are almost invisible....this issue
is first found in Plato....I find it hard to believe that Metallica is interested in philosophy.
That is my point  (hey this posting is cool ...Plato and Jesus in the same post
.Wow, google is priceless(btw,what if google will say tomorrow ...that every search should
cost?).)
In a way , if u want we all posess the Gyges ring ....as our ego (call it soul or what u want)
still remains a mistery for the others.I may think i know u ,but probably I dont .
So we all have the ring ...that's cool,huh?Now what shall we do with it ,should
we kiss the boss ass and go up ....or not pretend anymore and say to the boss
in the face that u dont like him?
ok,to conclude Plato brings this issue in a way of our unseen souls ....Jesus gives
u His solution to the problem, He says "not to throw the stone" cause though unseen ,our souls are not imaculate (without sin).
I'm gonna stop here, I'm hungry ...and I just cant ignore for ever that.But this
could go for ever,and that's probably why this story is told in schools since Plato.
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Date Dec. 20 2005 21:21:02
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sorin popovici
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From: Iasi, Romania
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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thanks Ron ,I am going to read the post u mentioned ...it's true I dont really read the
discussions in the flamenco events usually.
I think ...i'm not that cheerful these , i missed some carroling acompaniament cause of
my temper ....and I hate when holidays are closing in ,cause I have to get all my stuff,
computer cds,dvd ...and head home for two weeks.I like the holidays, hate cleaning carpets
and dusting though (we here, have like a ritual cleaning when Christmas and easter
are coming ...it is suposed to clean our houses and our souls, so that the spirit of
the holidays should find us as better human beings.I think we exagerate on dusting ).
Got to get going ...in have an hour ,my folks are gonna be here ...and my computer
should be packed by then and I'm posting .
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Date Dec. 21 2005 10:10:31
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to Francisco)
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Samwise, Ramin,
you should be careful about how you view these lawsuits. As ridiculous as they sound, there is more to them than meets the eye.
My wife is a successful lawyer and I see the other side, the side that doesn't get exposed by the big-time media or constantly trumpeted on insurance company commercials, and it's a whole other world.
The lawsuits for fat people and for the lady who got burned are not, per se, about taking responsibility for eating too much or being clumsy with the coffee. They are about despicable actions of the companies that were turned up by the lawsuits.
For example, in the old McDonalds/coffee lawsuit, it was shown that they kept the coffee at a temperature far above what was drinkable. The reason was so that people wouldn't drink the coffee in the store and get refills--although refills were offered. Is this illegal? No... just tricky and a bit dishonest. The problem is they found that hundreds of people were severely burned by the coffee (accidents happen). McDonalds knew about this, but they refused to change the temperature.
When the jury found out about how many people were injured by the practice of keeping the coffee unconscionably hot, they were so outraged (remember, these are ordinary people sitting on the jury), that they slapped McD's with huge punitive damages! Punitive damages are meant to discourage a transgressor from illegal and malicious action ("evil mind" is the standard), not reward little old ladies for their clumsiness. This widely publicized award, $100 million or something, was reduced by a huge amount in the extensive appeal process. Probably the old lady died before seeing a penny...
The Ford Pinto case, you may recall, was somewhat similiar. Ford knew there was a flaw in their cars, and they it would case a certain amount of people to be killed. They calculated how much they would have to pay out in wrongful death claims. This is all documentd in internal communications. The problem is that during the lawsuit, this all came out, and again, it was shown they had "evil mind" and got slapped with punitive damages.
The fast food case is not so cut and dried, although personally I am for it. Not because I have any particular sympathy toward uncontrolled eating. However, fast food is basically poisonous and our food system in the US is set up so that it is very difficult to avoid. Like Joe Camel advertising toward kids, most fast food commercials are aimed at little 'uns who have no real knowledge or defense against it. Not that most people really have a good defense against advertising. Fast food is also aimed at low income people who are short on education and often transportation. The end result of fast food is what you see waddling around every street in America.
If you think we are fat over here because as a race we lack discipline or intelligence, then I think you are being a little harsh. I would not be sad at all, if McDonalds and Burger King, etc., got slapped down and had to serve only food that met a certain level of decency. If one of these lawsuits does it, then I'm all for it. I'm not too sympathetic to drug dealers, cigarrette companies, or fast food sellers--all purveyors of poison.
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Ramin
In North America some people eat like pigs and they take legal action against the fast food companies for making them fat
LOL...very true. In fact, there's another major lawsuit filed by lady who suffered burns after she spilled hot coffee on her leg - can you say copy cat?!!
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Date Dec. 21 2005 14:22:03
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Ramin
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From: Toronto, Canada
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Miguel,
Thank you for your elaborate response! Your points are well taken. However, I do believe that many people in North America exploit the system by not accepting responsibility for their own actions in order to make some money in the process. This, I also believe, is becoming a trend for various reasons I don't want to get into now.
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If you think we are fat over here because as a race we lack discipline or intelligence, then I think you are being a little harsh.
It may not be a lack of intelligence, but it is definitely a lack of education and descipline. By that I mean educating people about the quality of the products they consume is far more effective than penalizing companies that sell those products. And discipline is another factor. We are encouraged to be lazy, sit in front of TV while our "gourmet" packaged dinner is being warmed up in the microwave oven, and to follow many many more shortcuts with questionable consequences. But in the end, it is YOUR choice to do whatever YOU want.
In the end, I belive some of the challenges we encounter today are the side effects of Capitalism, (e.g., over consumption, workeholism, profitablity at any cost, ...) and could be mitigated by education and awareness.
Ramin
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Date Dec. 21 2005 16:41:32
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: THE END FOR SHARING TAB FILES???!!! (in reply to Ramin)
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This thing is slowly degenerating into a philosophical squabble about life in general.
Scottish kids were deemed by a recent survey to be the most obese kids in the world, due to a high intake of chips and junk food.
But when I walk around town I don't see them?
I'm 5ft 9" and 140lbs...
All the kids I see are normal and healthy...
Where do they get all this data from?
I love National stereotyping myself, ...it's what makes the world go round!
Like lots of Europeans imagine the stereotypical American as 6ft, 300lbs, with pearly white teeth, glasses and a beer gut hanging over plaid shorts and a camera hanging over his money belt, saying in a Southern drawl "Gee, honey..here we are in Paris, France!"
All not true of course, but everybody enjoys National Lampoon.
All members of this Forum live basically in the same sort of world now..
Personally, I , being much older than a lot of you, was never brought up to think that anything was free.
I now have to listen night after night to TV commercials, telling me that I'm sad, not tuned in, or to stupid to buy their latest product.
Folk under 30 have been brought up with this crap.
Hence things like Napster and behaving like everything should be free etc.
I think this philosophy has a "carry on" effect into other areas, like guitar, where one might say.."Hey..I've bought all these Encuentro Videos and two years later I still sound like crap....what gives here?"
So in a round about way your quote gets back to Todd's point
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and to follow many many more shortcuts with questionable consequences.
Exactly!
One of the things I love about Flamenco guitar is that if Donald Trump had to suddenly take an interest in it, he couldn't send his secretary out to buy him the skill.
Not for $10,000,000.
cheers
Ron
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