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BarkellWH
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 RE: Toros y flamenco (in reply to Morante)
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Do not read if you are anti.
It is nonsense to suggest one should only read articles in support of one's position, regarding the corrida or any other topic. There is enough ignorance in the world without contributing to it by posting an article and then advising members, "Do not read if you are anti."
The corrida and most other topics have their defenders and detractors. But it is good to hear all sides of an issue, even if one disagrees with one side or the other, if nothing else in order to know what drives the other side's position. Moreover, the history of the corrida is interesting, even if one thinks that society has evolved to a point where it is now considered cruel and inhumane by many. As an example, at one time I enjoyed the corrida. I no longer do because I find it cruel and inhumane.
To post the link to an article, and then to admonish members, "Do not read if you are anti.," is childish and demonstrates a lack of regard for your readers' maturity and intellectual level.
Bill
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And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Aug. 12 2014 19:14:25
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BarkellWH
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RE: Toros y flamenco (in reply to aeolus)
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Is there any connection between bull fighting and flamenco?
I think the connection that is associated with the corrida and flamenco is one of "correlation," not "causation," i.e., both the corrida and flamenco were developed in the region, but neither is dependent on the other, and each could exist without the other. They simply are the two most prominent cultural elements one associates with Spain. The mistake some make is in thinking that the association of flamenco with the corrida that is expressed by some flamencos and toreros represents ground truth, when it is, in fact, opinion.
In fact, many Spaniards who attend the corrida don't hold a particular love of flamenco. I would wager you will find a majority of Spaniards favor pop and "world music" over flamenco, while still occasionally attending a corrida. Likewise, the corrida has flourished in Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, and other countries with no history of flamenco. If the corrida disappeared tomorrow, flamenco would continue to flourish at its present level with no loss of imagination and beauty.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Aug. 12 2014 21:37:21
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BarkellWH
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RE: Toros y flamenco (in reply to gj Michelob)
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And we all are a bit guilty of beating those dead horses.
I cannot think of many flamenco topics, whether lutherie, palos, compas, and others in addition to the ones you listed, that have not been discussed several times over the years. If we use that as a standard to define "beating dead horses" we might as well fold up our tent and call it a day. Actually, that is the value of having an "Off Topic" section, where we can introduce and discuss topics completely unrelated to flamenco and relieve the tedium of going over much-ploughed ground.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Aug. 12 2014 23:18:19
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BarkellWH
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RE: Toros y flamenco (in reply to Ricardo)
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MANOLO: "Yes. I was in New York. I was to perform tauromagia but when I arrived at the theatre I found a crowd with placards protesting about bullfighting in Spain. The hall was completely sold out so I decided before I ever played a note, to put my guitar on the chair and explain to the audience that in Spain we were trying to defend ourselves from the culture that others wanted to impose on us from outside
I respect Manolo's opinion, and although at one time I found the corrida interesting and exciting to watch, for a long time now I have considered it cruel and inhumane. Nevertheless, I would never presume to tell Spaniards they should ban the corrida. Although I do not like it, if they wish to keep it that is their business, not mine or anyone else's.
What I take issue with is the presumption that there is a causal (organic, if you will) connection between flamenco and the corrida. That they both represent the two most recognizable cultural features of Spain does not represent a causal (organic) connection. I'm sure that there are instances where one has influenced the other (far more the corrida influencing specific--not general--flamenco pieces, rather than the reverse), but flamenco would have developed with or without the corrida. In my opinion inspiration for flamenco in general does not depend on the corrida, Tauromagia notwithstanding.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Aug. 13 2014 19:36:31
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