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El Kiko
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RE: Question about compas (in reply to athrane77)
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Kiko, you haven't understand anything. i think i have understand everything The very clear claim was that if you start on beat 6 ,according to ramon , ""five beats preceding that beat in the compas. These five beats of silence or "rests" are therefore part of the falseta."" to ""So by definition, beats One, Two, Three, Four, and Five, are part of the falseta"" So this would , by extension apply to any and all other scenarios ...I just mentioned bulerias as an example ... Meaning you could , paste and copy ramons answer , and change the word Alegrias to Bulerias and the number 6 to the number 12 .. therefore ...Here is how. If you say you are starting on beat 12, then you have established that there are beats One, Two, Three, Four, Five, six , seven , eight , nine , ten and eleven -Eleven beats preceding that beat in the compas. These eleven beats of silence or "rests" are therefore part of the falseta. A silence or rest is an integral part of a falseta. There are hundreds of falsetas that are comprised of a combination of rests and notes. if Ramons beat six theory is correct , then it must follow for all other things ....he cant have it both ways ... Unfortunatly that first statement is incorrect as a base , so everything after that is wrong as well, maybe you dont get it ...yet .. I am basically saying that, practically speaking , you can start on beat 6 , or any other beat . the fact that it is known as beat 6 and there must be 5 other beats to get there is not important in this case ,.it a reference point .....get it ?
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Date Jul. 26 2014 14:59:17
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orsonw
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RE: Question about compas (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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Whichever beat the first note of the falseta may start on (e.g. beat six in Lenador, Andy or Ricardo's example) whatever one feels suits the moment could be played before i.e. it could be silence, tapado or played notes that are not part of the falseta, these variations happen all the time in flamenco. Flamenco is entirely unlike classical music regarding the way in which flamenco does not follow a set arrangement; compas, falsetas, llamadas, remates, cierres etc.. and also fragments of these can be arranged spontaneously as the cante or baile inspires. Or they could be arranged and worked out prior to performing. A good flamenco guitarist will know various phrases that work around different parts of the 12 beat cycle (the 3, 6 ,10, 12 etc..) He will know the rhythmic meaning of each phrase or falseta well so they can be acessed and used in the moment. To the OP, it can be confusing at first, I would suggest learning something simple and common to start, some basic alegrias compas (rhythmic, accompaniment type strumming) and a falesta which comes in on first beat of twelve. It takes a while and some experience to fully understand the differences between the compas in the palos you mention, cante is often the key. Get a good teacher, start with the basics, it will become clearer.
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Date Jul. 27 2014 22:36:07
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Mark2
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RE: Question about compas (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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The issue you have illustrated, as I understand it, is if the rests, or compas played before the start of the notes, are part of the falseta. IMO, the answer is no. It is an interesting thought, and if you are actually demonstrating an alegrias falseta where the notes start on beat six, you are likely going to set it up by playing compas or resting for the first six beats, while palmas orientate the listener as to the placement of the notes in the compas. But, if you take that logic and apply it to other palos, such as bulerias, then you would conclude that all bulerias falsetas also start on "one" While this view is easily understood, it is not traditionally communicated in this way. quote:
ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira The falseta has begun on beat One of the First measure. The NOTES have begun on the Sixth beat. But wait - Player X protests - "No, no - the falseta didn't begin on One. The falseta doesn't begin until the NOTES begin. The falseta begins when the first NOTES are played." Okay - fine. We'll write out the falseta again just exactly as you have just stated - we'll write out the falseta so that it begins when the first notes are played. CASE TWO: First we have the staff. Then the key signature. Then the time signature - in this case three quarter time. Next comes the first bar or measure. For the First beat of the first measure we write in a note or notes to comply with Player X's statement that the falseta begins when the first notes are played.. Well, we needn't go any further. Player X has told us that the falseta begins when the first notes are played, and the falseta has been written out exactly as he has stated. And it has begun on the first beat. So either way the falseta has begun on the first beat. Ramon
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Date Jul. 28 2014 22:27:51
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