Flamenco chords, again….

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Robug

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Flamenco chords, again….

Greetings, A couple of years ago, Ricardo started a posting with his TAB flamenco chords. I put the "A" flamenco chords into a file that shows TAB, notation, and chord fretboard fingering (the attached file). I had to reduce the size greatly because this foro has very limited options for files so the quality is much reduced (we can examine some other means of sharing this file, that is if people are interested). I have not completed it or proofed for mistakes yet, but you can get a general idea. If you guys here think this is of interest, I will complete the "A" chords and then proceed to include all the others Ricardo (and others) so kindly posted. This was done in Finale 2012 and the original file can actually be "played" using a free reading version from the Finale MakeMusic web page. Personally, I find notation to be of great value when used in conjunction with the TAB and chord symbols. Please let me know if you like this, or not, and make suggestions. I send you greetings from tropical Panama.

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koenie17

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

I would apreciate it very much. I think it would be a great tool for lots of people who would like to leatm.

Thanks for the efford, I hope more people like this because i understand that this must be loads of work.

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Robug

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to koenie17)

Dear Koenie17, Thank you very much for your kind words. I will do this work for certain. It is not difficult work for Finale program except for the fretboard diagrams (TAB and notation are rather simple). However, Finale demands a Chord name for the fretboard diagrams and, with the very unusual chord shapes, I have to "teach" Finale to know the chords and unusual names. But, the more I do, the easier it becomes. The next issue will be how to post a high quality pdf file, but I am confident we can resolve that issue (perhaps by email or some other web site). This can be a "provisional work" in that we can add to it at any time as new ideas develop. I would really appreciate any ideas from you and others to make this the best we can. Also, there are places to cite the author/source of each contribution. And, Finale TAB can accommodate ANY tuning, indeed, any fretted instrument (7 string guitars, sitar, etc. etc.). This work should go rather smoothly and, as soon as things are properly designed, we should have weekly updates until everything is complete. Greetings from my tropical Panamanian paradise…..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 25 2014 22:10:17

pink

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

Wow, most generous of you to take the time . An excellent idea. Many thanks!

Best

pink

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estebanana

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

Robug, Greetings from rainy season and today windy Japan,

This is very generous of you, I would love to have this. If you complete this is will be one of the best things to come from the Foro for all time!

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

I think there is already a guitar pro file of flamenco chords. Matbe it would be easier to add the missing ones there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 0:14:45

Robug

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Sr. Martins)

Greetings, yes there are already publications for flamenco chords and thus there is some redundancy. However, I really liked the approach of the postings by members of the foro (referring to the thread started by Ricardo) and wanted to capture in a more friendly format what was posted and perhaps create something that can be somewhat interactive with the participants on the foro. And, I much prefer using Finale for any notation as it is the premier software program for musical notation (my opinion) and files archived in this program have almost limitless uses/capabilities. So, I will be doing this work for myself anyway and thought it would be nice to show my appreciation by sharing the results.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 0:51:45

Leñador

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

Really is a great and generous thing, I think I've got a couple to add to A...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 3:54:26

rojarosguitar

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

Great idea and very generous ... thanks!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 5:12:40

Robug

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Leñador)

Okay, let's do this. I will do the "A's" this week, the "D's" next week, etc. etc. As we progress, I will make changes to improve the project. For the moment, I can create a small image like the attachment I originally posted here, however, it is important that I find a good, convenient way to post a high quality pdf, one that can be accessed at any time by those who are interested. Leñador, please post here the two "A's" that you mentioned and I will add them. This project should be very useful and really rather fun.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 13:11:22

Leñador

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

What about, organized per tonality? Like "Por medio chords" "Por arriba chords" "Tono Taranto chords" "Minera Chords" etc....
Maybe? Just a thought......Or could be done eventually after we get through the first part.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 16:05:37

Robug

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Leñador)

Great idea. Of course, once the chords are entered into Finale, they can be easily arranged in any imaginable form, so doing as you suggest is really quite simple. Once, chords are complete, perhaps we could start entering some falsetas. It is really cool to be able to play back a falseta at any tempo without altering sound quality. Anyway, once we have the chords entered then you can guide me how you would like to see the tonal collections. It will be very interesting to see where all this takes us.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 17:01:23

HolyEvil

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

That sounds awesome. Thanks so much :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2014 23:41:00

estebanana

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

I have always wanted to learn more about chords in C sharp used por bulerias. I think Ricardo and Jason added some there. Don't forget that one later

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 27 2014 1:31:57

Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Leñador

What about, organized per tonality? Like "Por medio chords" "Por arriba chords" "Tono Taranto chords" "Minera Chords" etc....
Maybe? Just a thought......Or could be done eventually after we get through the first part.

you can make some suggestions generally speaking, but, you can use any chord from the chromatic scale in any palo....if you know how to do it. And even if you dont' your ear can find cool things by experimenting. That's sort of why I tried to put chords up in chromatic order ABbBCC# etc to G#.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 27 2014 12:35:22

Leñador

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

Oh la verdad, si si.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 27 2014 16:08:18

Rmn

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Ricardo)

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you can make some suggestions generally speaking, but, you can use any chord from the chromatic scale in any palo....if you know how to do it. And even if you dont' your ear can find cool things by experimenting. That's sort of why I tried to put chords up in chromatic order ABbBCC# etc to G#.

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Hi Ricardo, this is some interesting bit of information, could you perhaps explain a little bit more about it and maybe name a practical use of it?

Thanks so much

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 27 2014 17:42:47

Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Rmn)

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ORIGINAL: Rmn

quote:

you can make some suggestions generally speaking, but, you can use any chord from the chromatic scale in any palo....if you know how to do it. And even if you dont' your ear can find cool things by experimenting. That's sort of why I tried to put chords up in chromatic order ABbBCC# etc to G#.

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Hi Ricardo, this is some interesting bit of information, could you perhaps explain a little bit more about it and maybe name a practical use of it?

Thanks so much

would love to but the parameters are too broad. Give me a chord or two and the palo and I will show how to work it in.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 27 2014 18:47:51

Leñador

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

I think a simple one would be a chromatic passing progression to get to your "target chord". no?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 27 2014 21:16:09

Robug

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Leñador)

Greetings, I have completed the first of the Flamenco Chords series (starting with A Major) and will post each in its own thread as I complete them. I hope you find this work of value.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 28 2014 19:47:22

Rmn

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rmn

quote:

you can make some suggestions generally speaking, but, you can use any chord from the chromatic scale in any palo....if you know how to do it. And even if you dont' your ear can find cool things by experimenting. That's sort of why I tried to put chords up in chromatic order ABbBCC# etc to G#.

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Hi Ricardo, this is some interesting bit of information, could you perhaps explain a little bit more about it and maybe name a practical use of it?

Thanks so much

would love to but the parameters are too broad. Give me a chord or two and the palo and I will show how to work it in.

For example playing (composing, improvising) in solea I pretty much play most of the time in E F G Am Dm C, in some falsetas doing a melody in F# chord then modulating back to E phrygian might happen, but that's basically it that I know about. Im sure I play falsetas from others which have chromatic harmony in them, but Im not musically wel educated to know that.

Would be nice to know the general concept of like you say using any chord in the chromatic scale in any palo (and still sounding flamenco)
And an example of it.
It's my dream to understand more of these kind of things in order to be able to express and compose better and to broaden the mind musically

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 29 2014 10:55:47

Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Rmn)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rmn

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rmn

quote:

you can make some suggestions generally speaking, but, you can use any chord from the chromatic scale in any palo....if you know how to do it. And even if you dont' your ear can find cool things by experimenting. That's sort of why I tried to put chords up in chromatic order ABbBCC# etc to G#.

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Hi Ricardo, this is some interesting bit of information, could you perhaps explain a little bit more about it and maybe name a practical use of it?

Thanks so much

would love to but the parameters are too broad. Give me a chord or two and the palo and I will show how to work it in.

For example playing (composing, improvising) in solea I pretty much play most of the time in E F G Am Dm C, in some falsetas doing a melody in F# chord then modulating back to E phrygian might happen, but that's basically it that I know about. Im sure I play falsetas from others which have chromatic harmony in them, but Im not musically wel educated to know that.

Would be nice to know the general concept of like you say using any chord in the chromatic scale in any palo (and still sounding flamenco)
And an example of it.
It's my dream to understand more of these kind of things in order to be able to express and compose better and to broaden the mind musically

There is no general concept other than compas and cadence. There can only be specifics. So here is an example.

Solea. I do the same as you suggest stick with those basic harmonies relative to E por arriba for most of it. At 4 minutes, I resolve to C major chord. Then from same bass note go into a C minor chord and phrase. That moves to F minor. Then I move to Abmaj7...BUT I voice my melodic phrases in such a way you can think the Ab is really a G#....perfectly normal note in the solea. It resolves to G7, but in a phrygian way. But it is still having close relation to normal solea stuff on the G chord. The open strings might make us think nothing is majorly weird...though it is. Then I bring back in F but with the traditional F major (lydian) bass line that resolves with a nice Eb leading tone back to our tonic E phyrgian. (Eb/D# can be easing us out of C minor type stuff back to E phrygian....jazz guys know this relationship as F lydian dominant, mode 4 of C melodic minor).

http://youtu.be/mfmks81pWNQ

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 29 2014 13:52:46

Rmn

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Robug)

Aha, wow thank you very much Ricardo.
I see now what you mean with what you originally wrote.

Only the last bit of text I didn't get clearly. The Eb/D# part. You didn't mean by any change Ab/G#?

Thanks again

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 29 2014 17:16:48

Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco chords, again…. (in reply to Rmn)

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ORIGINAL: Rmn

Aha, wow thank you very much Ricardo.
I see now what you mean with what you originally wrote.

Only the last bit of text I didn't get clearly. The Eb/D# part. You didn't mean by any change Ab/G#?

Thanks again

The final scale run there is F-E-D#-E-D#-C-D#-B-A-G#-A-F-G#-F-E.

Considering I was just exiting the key of Cminor(G phyrgian), the little part with D# can be read Eb-C-B-A....those notes heard in relation to F root gives F-A-C-Eb-B....or F7#11 (1,3,5,b7,#11), lydian dominant can be implied.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 29 2014 18:31:44