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FERREREZAKI

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Hole Repair

Hi all,

I have a guitar which I like very much, but there is a nasty hole through the end block where an end pin jack was installed by previous owner.
My questions are; is it possible to repair with good result and how much should I expect it to cost?
The finish is a modern high gloss one...not shellac nor nitro.

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Leñador

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

Curious to hear what luthiers say but I'm pretty sure a plug is the best you can ask for...........

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

Consider it as a soundport.

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

Indeed it is a soundport, a unwanted one!

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

It could be fixed well if you wouldn't mind a wider end graft--the decorative strips on the end--wide enough to cover the hole (plugged or not) and the chipout. Regardless of what the original finish is, the repair could probably be finished with shellac in a way that would not be noticeable. Such a procedure in my shop would probably cost about two or three hundred dollars.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2014 18:29:01

FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to constructordeguitarras)

Thanks Ethan.

So you would make a whole new end graft?
Is that really necessary you Think?

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

I was hoping maybe something similar to this would be possible?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2014 20:42:08

estebanana

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

You could also inlay small square of rosewood with a matching purflng border around it. $150-180.00 shellac blend finish.

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Leñador

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

quote:

I was hoping maybe something similar to this would be possible?

That plug is no problem, but all that faux distressing is gunna cost you! lol

Sorry, I'm avoiding doing work like the plague today...........

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

quote:

So you would make a whole new end graft?
Is that really necessary you Think?

You're welcome, F. I don't think there's any other way to do a really nice job. Any attempt to inlay wood with breaks in the grain lines will look pretty rough.

Is that your picture or Somerset Maugham?

Oh, now I see what you mean. Yes, that would be possible too. It would be a lot simpler to do. Cheaper, too. I charge $50/hour for repairs ($75 if you watch; $100 if you help) and that might only cost $50. Though, of course the circle would contrast with the purfling in the end graft, and the direction of the rosewood grain would be wrong for the end graft or the sides or both.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2014 21:33:20

jshelton5040

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

stick an end pin in it and pretend it's for a strap.

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estebanana

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

or play it like a cello.....

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tele

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to estebanana)

I would try to cut a fitting piece of rosewood and use black epoxy to glue it in

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

Thank you all luthiers for sharing.
Now I just have to figure out which way to go.
The guitar might not be Worth more than maybe $6-700.
But I Think it's good enough to earn a repair anyway actually.

Will take it to my "local" luthier sometime. Unfortunately both you, Ethan and Stephen, are too far away from me, otherwise I Think you pricing seemed very fair.

Also, I like your idea, Ethan, of letting the customer be your helper in the shop for a charge, I would definitely be interested in that!

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to constructordeguitarras)

No, it is neither I or Somerset Maugham...it's Pelle Wrigstad

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el carbonero

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

myabe a new concept for andaluchina guitars

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keith

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

if the local luthier project turns out to be expensive or not do-able or you want to spend the money on a new saddle, strings, tuners, you could get a rosewood dowl rod of a slightly larger diameter, sand it down and then tap it in with glue. once dry cut off the piece sticking out (you will need to have the dowl longer than the fill space to be able to work with the piece. if you do the fitting well you should be able to make the plug flush before tapping it in and avoid having to cut the rod with it glued in. one option is to cut the dowl rod almost all the way through before tapping it in thereby leaving you only a few draws on the saw. be sure to tape up the area around the plug before sawing. you can then polyurethane the plug.

you can get a rosewood dowl rod at rockler or a similar place.

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estebanana

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

I'd take the cork for Pelle's bottle of vino and shove it in that hole, have another glass and then never give it another thought.

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

You could also inlay small square of rosewood with a matching purflng border around it. $150-180.00 shellac blend finish.

Filling up the endblock and then make it flush with inlay work is probably the most desirable option. Provided I can find a luthier with the required skills AND willing to take on the job! I will try.

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to estebanana)

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

I'd take the cork for Pelle's bottle of vino and shove it in that hole, have another glass and then never give it another thought.

That's plan B!

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estebanana

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

Where are you located?

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FERREREZAKI

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to estebanana)

Sweden

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Stephen Eden

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

I would usually decide on how much money I want to spend then see what I can get done for that! There are usually lots of options with differing price tags. Most people I find go with their pockets. Even so I have been given guitars to repair and refinish that I would probably not hesitate to throw on the fire!

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Hole Repair (in reply to FERREREZAKI)

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Ethan, of letting the customer be your helper in the shop for a charge, I would definitely be interested in that!

I'm laughing because it never occurred to me that anyone would take me up on that--it was a joke. I saw a sign like that in a mechanic's shop. However, now that you mention it, it does seem like a reasonable way to provide a learning experience.

Best wishes with your repair.

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