RE: Morao strikes again

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kudo

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Leñador

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to FredGuitarraOle)

Diego is a bad man. I'm generally pretty traditional and old school about my flamenco but Diego gets it and takes it to another level. He's scary good. His sense of rhythm is super human. And his accompaniment is so perfect……….

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

This thread already has penis, small penis (carajito) and popcorn.

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Arash

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Morante)

I have to apologize for my childish language yesterday
and kind of feel embarassed now.
Actually to be honest I was loaded because of a
real life experience with a guy about a similar issue
2 days ago and was kind of extremely frustrated about
his comments towards me and my friend, etc...
and kind of totally overreacted in this thread with
that part of my comment and kind of mixed up everything.

So, I'm sorry Morante. I didn't mean to say you are
that old whatever .... Of course I know you are very
knowledgeable. Preferences in flamenco are totally
normal and legit and shouldn't be a reason for any
kind of childish fight between aficionados.
I love Cante as much as I love guitar.
I hope you accept my apology.
Peace.

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Escribano

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Arash)

Arash,

Thank you for the apology. I have deleted a couple of other posts on this thread. Please can we all accept that people have opinions and that can be expressed here without fear of abuse.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 6:57:12

el carbonero

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

this thread seem interesting , unfortunately ,i dont understand all .

When start the fight ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 9:38:50

Morante

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Arash)

Thank you Arash. I do not know you and you do not know me, but this kind of exchange does no favours for foro flamenco. Best forgotten.

Suerte

Morante

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beno

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

Doesn't matter at all, Antonio Rey beats them all

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Don Dionisio

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Morante)

Morante,
I like Diego but who cares...
I thought you post was great, and I admire Arash for apologizing.
Civility is underrated. I'm glad to see this resolve without having to
be locked down.
Cordiales saludos.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 12:52:31

Aretium

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to beno)

quote:

Doesn't matter at all, Antonio Rey beats them all

Beno that's the worst comment so far! :D

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ralexander

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

Big respect to you guys for not letting that go any further.

My favorite thing about Diego is that he has great respect for the family tradition before him, and while he has mastery of that material he works hard to forge his own path forward. I strongly believe that tradition is the essence and lifeblood of flamenco, but also feel that the art would be even more in danger without guys like Diego to help carry it forward.

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Morante)

Morante and Arash you have cheered me up and renewed my faith in internet communciation.

Thanks

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 14:08:32

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to guitarbuddha)

I've been wondering, there was the "big four" including Paco, Vicente, Tomatito and Gerardo (and to many, Manolo Sanlúcar) - now there is a new generation that has arrived and we have Diego and Antonio Rey as the new main guitarists in the genre; I wonder whether they can have a similar influence on young guitarists as their predecessors had on us...
Unfortunately I'm struggling to identify anyone else as such a powerful, taste-defining contemporary source in flamenco guitar, to me many of today's obviously technically flawless young guitarists sound very much the same, with their ideas being more technical than artistical...in my ears the overly sterilized sound quality on their albums take away a lot of the artistical quality as well...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 14:20:43

Nahuel03

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

I know and understand Diego del Morao is in a higher level than his father, harmonically speaking. (technically, i dont know. I would like to hear your opinions) He is closer to Vicente Amigo more than Moraito.

Anyway, by far, if a have to choose something to play, or to listen, i prefer Moraito.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 14:21:46

burnsbyrne

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

I love hearing Diego del Morao accompany singers. He's at the top in terms of technique and taste. But I've got to say that his solo playing leaves me cold. I can appreciate that he is a guitar master but I just don't get it. Maybe I haven't listened to enough of his solos, maybe I'm too old. Maybe someone can tell me what they like in his playing other than just saying he is great?

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athrane77

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

quote:

Maybe someone can tell me what they like in his playing other than just saying he is great?

Soniquete.

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Leñador

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

His syncopation is insane! And it's still super funky!

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el carbonero

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

yes . soniquete , compas ,taste ,sound , fluidity ,transmission,creativity ,energy ,powerful,technique ,puro,modern,accompagnement ,solo .....

and he's a sympatic guy .

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 16:05:52

burnsbyrne

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

I just went and watched several of his videos. I realized that one problem is that I can't always tell what palo he is playing. I grew up in flamenco where there were signature cadences that distinguished a solea from a bulerias from a siguirias. When PdL played a solea you could hear that solea sound even in the improvizations. With Diego I just don't always hear that and I feel like I'm floating without an anchor.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 16:38:25

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to burnsbyrne)

burnsbyrne,
we're probably just too old. Once you have your tastes set, it's hard to change them. They are hearing these super-cool syncopations that get their blood moving, I am hearing a mish-mash. They are hearing incredibly tight riffs and variations, I am hearing a buch of gibberish. They are saying this guy is a master on the level of Paco/Gerardo and to me it sounds like 'Paco shreds'. At some point, it's like an inside joke and you wonder what everyone's laughing about.

With enough listening and study, you may begin to appreciate it too! It's also possible I may eventually develop a taste for goat cheese, but right now I just can't stand it!

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beno

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

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Unfortunately I'm struggling to identify anyone else as such a powerful, taste-defining contemporary source in flamenco guitar

I think Eduardo Trassiera is right up there. He's much more musical to me than let's say Dani de Morón...

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beno

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to kudo)

quote:

Beno that's the worst comment so far! :D

Hey, watch out Aretium, 'cause I'll flick Your nose with some amii rasgueados :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 24 2014 17:17:28

tele

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to beno)

I really think he is one of the best guitarists in terms of following the compas. However what I think makes his father better in terms of musicality is that his falsetas are always easy to remember(I mean you can repeat them in your head after listening to his songs), while after listening to Diego's pieces it's difficult to remember any phrases/falsetas, probably because it's so rapidly changing and technical. I'm sure his music is only going to get better with the years, after all he hasn't been in the center of jerez flamenco for many years?

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Escribano

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to FredGuitarraOle)

I stumbled upon this.

Homenaje a Moraito en Jerez.

Diego goes first, as is appropriate. He also accompanies José Mercé at 52:22, which is also most appropriate. I get the shivers thinking about such a cold, sad and goosebumpy night in Jerez... and it's not the weather. Enjoy!

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mark indigo

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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to me many of today's obviously technically flawless young guitarists sound very much the same, with their ideas being more technical than artistical...in my ears the overly sterilized sound quality on their albums take away a lot of the artistical quality as well...

older generations always say these same things, this could be a quote from the eighties about Gerardo/Riqueni/Manolo Franco.... or from the seventies about Paco/Manolo/Serranito.... and I've read old articles where people said these kinds of things about Niño Ricardo/Sabicas....

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tijeretamiel

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to mark indigo)

I'd never heard any Manuel Morao until I came across this thread, he is also very fast!

A video of another Morao I stumbled on YT.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 25 2014 10:00:52

burnsbyrne

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to mark indigo)

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older generations always say these same things, this could be a quote from the eighties about Gerardo/Riqueni/Manolo Franco.... or from the seventies about Paco/Manolo/Serranito.... and I've read old articles where people said these kinds of things about Niño Ricardo/Sabicas....

This is true about the older generation and I won't deny it. The thing about the guitarists you named above is that they are the ones who are remembered from their generations after all the technically brilliant but artistically average guitarists were forgotten. We don't know yet who of the young players will still stand out in 20 years or if they will still be playing then what they are playing now

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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... to me many of today's obviously technically flawless young guitarists sound very much the same, with their ideas being more technical than artistical...in my ears the overly sterilized sound quality on their albums take away a lot of the artistical quality as well...

In February, 1962 I was at the club Zambra in New York. Around midnight Sabicas arrived, with a small entourage and a beautiful young blonde. The buzz went around that he was staying for the after-hours juerga. I said something enthusiastic to the fifty-something Spaniard at the next table.

He replied, "I would rather listen to Fernando Sirvent (the house guitarist, a competent accompanist of cante and baile). Sabicas is just flash and a lot of notes."

I'm betting that people were making similar remarks about Ramon Montoya in 1925.

RNJ

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Ricardo

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

quote:

... to me many of today's obviously technically flawless young guitarists sound very much the same, with their ideas being more technical than artistical...in my ears the overly sterilized sound quality on their albums take away a lot of the artistical quality as well...

In February, 1962 I was at the club Zambra in New York. Around midnight Sabicas arrived, with a small entourage and a beautiful young blonde. The buzz went around that he was staying for the after-hours juerga. I said something enthusiastic to the fifty-something Spaniard at the next table.

He replied, "I would rather listen to Fernando Sirvent (the house guitarist, a competent accompanist of cante and baile). Sabicas is just flash and a lot of notes."

I'm betting that people were making similar remarks about Ramon Montoya in 1925.

RNJ

How about the Amadeus movie about Mozart. "too many notes... just cut a few and it'll be perfect".

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Morante

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RE: Morao strikes again (in reply to Ricardo)

I don´t mind how many notes a guitarist plays if he plays with good taste, sounds flamenco and does not step on the cantaor. That´s why my favourite guitarist is Roman Vicenti.

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