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WGuitar

Posts: 46
Joined: Apr. 21 2014

I desperately need your help!

Greetings!

First of all, it's an amazing forum. I've read some threads on here before.

Well, I play some electric guitar and I'm familiar with mostly rock and blues music. I have almost no experience when it comes to flamenco music and I don't know that much about nylon string guitars.. other than maybe I've heard them in the mariachi song, hotel california.. and I know that classical music is played on nylon but classical music is not my thing to be honest..!

What worries me actually is the possibility of joining the wrong forum.. but even in that case, I'd be glad that I joined this forum cos quite honestly I couldn't find a better and more friendly place to ask my question, after many many hours of searching.. hope you wouldn't mind of course.

Been listening to the music in this video for the past couple weeks

I loved the music..not sure if this is really flamenco music... but anyway.. I bought a decent nylon string classical guitar last week and here I am..

I'd really love to play in this style, so my question being..
Do I need to find a flamenco teacher or buy a flamenco guitar method book so I can learn to play music like this?
And if not, do you know a good method book that teaches playing in this style?

I really hope I didn't bother you guys.. and you can definitely choose to direct me to somewhere else or to the right forum if I offended you somehow by asking this strange question!

Thank you

Will

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2014 23:29:10

Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Welcome!

Your in some luck, you DO NOT need a flamenco teacher to learn music like that. It's just a simple rumba. Just look up videos on you tube that teach "Picado" and "Rumba Strumming" and you're on your way.

Whether or not that's flamenco could be argued. I'll say this, if that IS flamenco it's a very very small small part of the world that is flamenco. For me, that stuff is way to elevatory….

Try this

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 0:12:11

rombsix

Posts: 7813
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

The music you posted is by Rafa el Tachuela from an album with two CD's. The album is entitled "Flamenco Rumba Guitarras". Just in case you were interested...

I personally consider rumba flamenca to be a legitimate palo (the word for "form" of flamenco) & I enjoy playing it. Here are my instructional videos (just had to advertise for myself...)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2CFA955FC4ADFA05

They are in Arabic, but the video description has a clear delineation of each step of every strumming pattern.

Sir Spam-a-Lot strikes again!

Here are two flamenco rumbas that are coupled with lower odds of the flamenco police biting you in the ass for listening to them.

Olé!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 0:23:11

mark indigo

Posts: 3625
Joined: Dec. 5 2007

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to rombsix)

quote:

Rafa el Tachuela

who is this guy? I have seen cd's for sale, but i never bought them.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 10:08:05

WGuitar

Posts: 46
Joined: Apr. 21 2014

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Thanks a lot for understanding!

Lenador, so you say that I've been listening to "rumba", and that I don't need to learn flamenco guitar to play like this, right?

BTW, the music you recommended, Tomatito bulerias, is very nice indeed. It sounds different rhythmically and has a different feel. It should be real flamenco music, I guess.

Thank you rombsix! What I got from what you said is that rumba is one form of flamenco of many, I guess... So by studying flamenco guitar I would learn a lot of things and rumba is included, right? The two rumbas videos you posted felt different compared to this I've been listening to.. but again to my newbie ears..

I checked your rumbas tutorials..what a treat! But now I still need to know how to play melodies or improvise over those rumba rhythm patterns. Do you know some book on teaching this?

One last thing.. I bought a classical guitar.. is it alright to play flamenco (or rumbas) on it? I just read a couple threads on the forum here and I'm starting to feel that there's actually guitars for flamenco and ones for classical music..

I probably asked too many questions, but you guys really know what your talking about, and any help from you is much appreciated.

Thanks!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 12:20:34

Nahuel03

Posts: 24
Joined: Mar. 25 2014
From: Buenos Aires, Argentina

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Hi Wguitar!
I started to study Flamenco 2 years ago. Is true (at least for me) that Rumba is the "easiest" palo to learn. This "easiest" is relative because you can play falsetas (solo part) with a very high difficult. Ritmically, is not complex, is binary, but you have to learn rasgueados in order to play it with "aire"and "soniquete" (it means how flamenco MUST sound to be authentic Flamenco).-

You can also try with Tangos. Another flamenco style.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 12:44:02

Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

If you go to a flamenco teacher and say "I wanna learn flamenco" rumba will probably be the last thing in his mind. If you ask him to teach you a rumba he 'll probly teach you something like Romb posted, more traditional. If you show him that video and say "I wanna play like this" he 'll probly say you don't need a flamenco teacher. Most I think would just consider that music flamenco influenced pop music. Which that's fine if you like that, it's just not generally what we're talking about here on the forum.

You'll be fine on the classical for now, I played a classical for a year or two till I got a real flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 14:15:38

SephardRick

Posts: 358
Joined: Apr. 11 2014

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

quote:

so my question being..
Do I need to find a flamenco teacher or buy a flamenco guitar method book so I can learn to play music like this?
And if not, do you know a good method book that teaches playing in this style

If I may add...Like you, I've been a convert from classical and modern guitar for the past year or so. You have to approach it as learn a completely new type of instrument.

Buying a flamenco guitar is a good start. You have to commit yourself. Playing flamenco is very different than classical and modern guitar. Gradually leave behind the 12 bar, 4/4 time and practice the different compas

as in Buleria and Siguiriyas. The beat is absolute. Runs and chords are secondary.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 16:47:05

El Kiko

Posts: 2697
Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

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What worries me actually is the possibility of joining the wrong forum..

what an unusual sentence to write ..... what do you think may happen if we all find out you have joined the wrong forum ?....aaaaahhhhggg ......this might go back to another post about the Flamenco Police .....i think we may have to send them round to yours with a tip off ,,, they might check your nylon string gear ,, and you have to play a Sevillanas at least ... a lot of forms to fill in ....

They usually turn up about 3 a.m. or so ....not to worry you or anything , but .... joining the wrong forum .... good grief ....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 16:55:26

Ricardo

Posts: 14819
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WGuitar

Greetings!

First of all, it's an amazing forum. I've read some threads on here before.

Well, I play some electric guitar and I'm familiar with mostly rock and blues music. I have almost no experience when it comes to flamenco music and I don't know that much about nylon string guitars.. other than maybe I've heard them in the mariachi song, hotel california.. and I know that classical music is played on nylon but classical music is not my thing to be honest..!

What worries me actually is the possibility of joining the wrong forum.. but even in that case, I'd be glad that I joined this forum cos quite honestly I couldn't find a better and more friendly place to ask my question, after many many hours of searching.. hope you wouldn't mind of course.

Been listening to the music in this video for the past couple weeks

I loved the music..not sure if this is really flamenco music... but anyway.. I bought a decent nylon string classical guitar last week and here I am..

I'd really love to play in this style, so my question being..
Do I need to find a flamenco teacher or buy a flamenco guitar method book so I can learn to play music like this?
And if not, do you know a good method book that teaches playing in this style?

I really hope I didn't bother you guys.. and you can definitely choose to direct me to somewhere else or to the right forum if I offended you somehow by asking this strange question!

Thank you

Will

While the player in the clip is not what we might consider at a high level, he certainly knows his flamenco ....I can tell by the way he is playing the rumba and rasgueados more than the single note lines. Actually it's the improvisation that reveals his limitations as a player. But I would guess this player most certainly can play some other flamenco forms. When the commercial wannabe rumba comes along I can tell right away from the strumming if the player knows flamenco or not.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 16:59:53

Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

What's modern guitar???
Not being sarcastic...really only know about metal and flemenco.....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 17:00:43

Aretium

Posts: 277
Joined: Oct. 23 2012

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to Leñador)

I got a cheap classical guitar, lowered the action and put on a transparent film as tap plates, put in flamenco strings and it sounds great actually.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 17:06:28

SephardRick

Posts: 358
Joined: Apr. 11 2014

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

What's modern guitar???
Not being sarcastic...really only know about metal and flemenco.....

Bro,

"Metal" You are modern

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 17:16:26

Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Oh, so everything except classical and flamenco. Gotcha holmes.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 17:43:22

WGuitar

Posts: 46
Joined: Apr. 21 2014

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Thank you so much everyone!

So now I need to lower the action om my classical..

..Still have a decision to make, myself, that is to choose between learning flamenco guitar and learning to play rumbas..The former should be an amazing journey I guess and a long one I feel.. and in case I went for the latter I would still need to know how to improvise over those rumba rhythms..I got no clue to be honest!

I Gotta say El Kiko's comment really cracked me up... Man I was only trying not to offend flamenco music or flamenco players as I asked my question.. but a really good comment, nonetheless.

I really appreciate your help guys.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 21:08:13

Aretium

Posts: 277
Joined: Oct. 23 2012

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

In my opinion you dont even need to get a classical, you can play it on the steel ala Al di Meola.

Its not "Rumba Flamenca" but its a lot easier to learn if you already have experience with jazz or rock guitar.

Rumba strumming can be learnt in a few weeks. So no big problem.

Now other palos....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 21:24:18

rombsix

Posts: 7813
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

quote:

Thank you rombsix! What I got from what you said is that rumba is one form of flamenco of many, I guess... So by studying flamenco guitar I would learn a lot of things and rumba is included, right? The two rumbas videos you posted felt different compared to this I've been listening to.. but again to my newbie ears..

I checked your rumbas tutorials..what a treat! But now I still need to know how to play melodies or improvise over those rumba rhythm patterns. Do you know some book on teaching this?

You're welcome. By studying flamenco, you should learn rumba strumming patterns & how to play rumbas like the traditional ones I posted by Paco Pena. I personally haven't used books that teach the soloing bits so I can't help with that. Cheers!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 22:28:30

El Kiko

Posts: 2697
Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Yeah .... see on my pic I got an electric guitar .... that's cause I'm undercover for the Flamenco Police ....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 22:53:50

Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Here's a good thread about soloing over rumba
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=246502&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=improvising&tmode=&smode=&s=#246502

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 23:00:34

WGuitar

Posts: 46
Joined: Apr. 21 2014

RE: I desperately need your help! (in reply to WGuitar)

Aretium, thanks for the suggestion and I liked the guitar trio, too.

Rombsix, thanks again.. In fact, I'm searching YT now for some videos (maybe of yours) that have the chords usually used in rumba progressions.

Thanks for the PM, El Kiko.. much appreciated.

Lenador, thaaanks! Came just in time.

Joining this forum is quite honestly one of the best decisions ever made in my life.

Thank you guys

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2014 23:48:41