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Estevan
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From: Torontolucía
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 RE: Gitano names (in reply to edguerin)
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Gitanos have the same kind of names as other Spanish people, i.e. given name followed by father's family name followed by mother's family name: Francisco Sánchez Gomes, Manuel Moreno Junquera, Antonio Carmona Carmona.
The examples you give are all nicknames, just like Paco de Lucía. This came from when he was a kid and there were loads of kids called Paco running around the neighbourhood, so if someone asked which Paco do you mean, you'd say Paco de Lucía (Lucy's Frank) or Paco de la Juana (Jane's Frank) or whatever, as the case may be. His brother Ramón didn't have that problem (not as many Ramóns) so for his stage name he used the hometown, which is pretty common too, and so became known as Ramón de Algeciras (Raymond of Al Jazeera).
So in the list you give above, Luís is Juliana's Luís, from round the corner, not the other one, María's Luís,who lives down the road, and so on.
Those are the basic ones. When you get into the 'apodos' (made up nicknames) then it's not about the mother but perhaps some physical characteristic or something. But that gets a bit esoteric when the nickname is passed down to a great-nephew or someone who doesn't share that same physical characteristic.
If you sing, it's good to name yourself after an item of seafood; as a guitar player, go for a vegetable.
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Date Apr. 15 2014 16:58:28
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edguerin
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From: Siegburg, Alemania
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RE: Gitano names (in reply to edguerin)
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So in the list you give above, Luís is Juliana's Luís, from round the corner, not the other one, María's Luís,who lives down the road, and so on.
Sure, but why would it have to be María's Luís rather than Pepe's or José's Luís?
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potito(altough I'm not sure if this one comes from word patata)
No, it doesn't, it's baby food
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Date Apr. 16 2014 6:58:13
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Gitano names (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Enrique de Melchor
Diego del Morao
Jose del Tomate
etc
Niño Ricardo = Manuel Serrapi Sanchez, son of Ricardo Sanchez
Morao, Moraito, Moraito Chico, Moraito Chico II, Diego del Morao all with the patronymic Moreno
Manolo de Huelva =Manuel Gómez Vélez
Manolo Sanlucar = Manuel Muñoz Alcón
Antonio Mairena = Antonio Cruz García from Mairena del Alcor
Melchor de Marchena = Melchor Jimenez Torres
Manolo Caracol = Manuel Ortega Juarez
Rafael Romero "El Gallina" whose mother's nickname was "La Gallina"
Perico el del Lunar = Pedro del Valle Pichardo had a prominent mole on his face
Bernardo el de los Lobitos, also Niño de Alcalá = Bernardo Álvarez Pérez. His nickname "of the wolf cubs" was from a bulerias letra
La Niña de los Peines = Pastora Pavón Cruz. Her brother, a great singer, but not as famous went by his actual name, Tomás Pavón Cruz
… and one of the most famous names of all, Manuel Torre (=Manuel Soto Loreto) was sometimes called Niño de Jerez
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Date Apr. 16 2014 20:59:15
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Gitano names (in reply to edguerin)
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This of course is due to absolutistic/enlightened bureaucracy which forced the Gitanos to adopt conventional "payo" names (as happened with the Jews as well in a lot of European states in the 18th century). To this day in Romanian Roma-dialect the first (christian) name is called "gadje" ("gadjo" is equivalent to "payo").
I think you are confusing different types of gypsies. The ones in south spain speak Calo, NOT Romany. I don't know of any Calo names vs proper spanish names for gypsies but I am sure someone might think of someone with one. In the case of the examples above, we are talking NICKNAMES or artistic names for spanish flamencos, both gipsy or non gipsy. Even the first known flamenco performer had a spanish name Antonio Fernandez, and nickname "El Planeta". Nick names need not carry through any family type rule such as fathers mothers or uncles. For example, Melchor's brother played guitar but was called "Chico Melchor". In my neck of the woods the Romanian gipsies tend to use Italian mafia type names for kids that stick through adulthood (bobby, jimmy, dino, vito, nico, etc)
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like tomatito or potito(altough I'm not sure if this one comes from word patata) 
Caló evolved from Romanó (Romany) from about the 15th Century on. Today it no longer can be considered Romany but is a so-called Para-Romany language