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Ruphus
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 RE: Spanish Village called "Kil... (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
So the sacrifice of thousands from tribes and groups who were obligated to provide the sacrificial victims to their Aztec rulers, to have their living, beating hearts cut out with obsidian knives wielded by Aztec priests who then wore the victims flayed skin as a cloak, was a morally superior act to the policy and attitude of the Conquistadores because it represented compliance with mythologically-based meaning? Are you suggesting that good intentions and acts committed within one's own cultural framework justify any act, regardless how heinous the act and its effect on others? That, my friend, begins a slippery slope that leads to the justification of any act, regardless how heinous, as long as it is committed within the cultural framework of the perpetrator. The Spaniards were following the policies and attitudes that represented their cultural framework every bit as much as were the Aztecs. To absolve the Aztecs of their heinous acts while condemning the Spaniards for theirs is to judge them using a double standard and is intellectually dishonest. I suppose today it would go by the term "political correctness," much as I hate that phrase.
You are right.
The difference on micro level will not level out the macro situation, And all that counts in the end is the actual effect of an action.
With the fancy of the conductor being respective to himself and irrelevant to the victim.
That is why our highest priority should be objectivity, so that we shall spare the environment any of arbitrary treatment through imagination or mythology.
- Which besides is not in the sense of current political correctness. PC since distortions of the Nazi Reich has gone overboard in the West and halted at an "any culture is preservable in its own right"-bull shiet. ( Last time for instance proofen with the rejection of parliamental proposal to prohibit circumcision of babies / children in Germany, months ago.)
Coming from the case of being misled by a popular doctrin, yet responsible:
You are not aware of being in such a situation yourself.
Though not apparently bound to blood-shed, you are bowing to another "Aztec standard".
Which is that in your societal outline the inalienability of labour value has been firmly concealed and pushed out of view, only to then make the appropriation of people´s labour, life time and life quality legitimate official custom.
Which as third´s disposal stands for actual slavery and incapacitation, notwithstanding the superficially seen invisibility of chains.
And while I sincerely applaud your basical condeming of arbitrainess, it must be pointed out that your own life draft contains the suppression of the secondarily most significant of human rights ( as it has all the other ones consequentially following ).
Though kept under deck, your ship has the armour and horses on board too.
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
Maybe in one city the priests took a reverent view of this as religious ceremony and in another the guy just liked tearing hearts out of people because he was a sick puppy.
The sick puppy is being discussed much too little, though it roams our living space in huge hosts.
Every day the unspeakable goes on in uncounted numbers behind closed doors of institutions, homes and sheds.
Unfortunately, the becoming of a sadist is much too easy.
Often times it takes merely the disfiguring of one or two of the parents for an infantile character of lying, stealing and animal torturing to come about. Let alone criminal cases through child misuse.
To produce a mind-set that senses itself so unfeeling and inferiour that it will enjoy agony of thirds as an elevator ( in the sense of "It is not happening to me!") may take only months of misuse, and it seems to be occuring all the time.
Where feudalism / capitalism leaves parental care a stepchild of no time and emotional / pedagogical limitation, just the more.
Sick puppies should become a public topic; and the sooner the better!
Their doings are exceeding any horror one could ever imagine; with the late young victims of internet mobbing indicating only the tip of a sadistic iceberg, while torture of exposed pets and cattle will vastly stay unnoticed to begin with.
Ruphus
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Date Apr. 18 2014 10:28:26
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BarkellWH
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RE: Spanish Village called "Kil... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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One reason for the fashionability of condemning the Spaniards was the political rhetoric of the PRI.
The intellectual dishonesty evident in the double standard applied when considering the actions of the Aztecs and the Spanish, each operating within their respective cultural frameworks at the time, goes way beyond the contradictory and false narrative of the PRI. It is fashionable in the West among many who have never heard of the PRI and know nothing about the history of Mexico. There is a widely-prevalent "zeitgeist" in the West, the "Narrative" of which finds the West responsible for all the ills of the world and the lesser-developed and more traditional societies and cultures as more "authentic" and, of course, always "victims." This "Narrative" never acknowledges the cruelty and exploitation found within these traditional societies and cultures themselves, or that is found to exist among and between various traditional societies and cultures.
Thus, it is axiomatic and beyond debate among many that the Aztecs were an "authentic" traditional culture (although, in fact, highly developed in many ways) and, as the victims of Cortes' conquest, were morally superior to the Spaniards. It is almost a cult-like truism among many today that the mere existence of the West personifies cruelty and exploitation while the lesser developed, more traditional parts of the world represent "authenticity" and "victimization." This "Narrative" never acknowledges the internal exploitation and contradictions to be found within and between these traditional societies themselves. Thus, the "Narrative" always ends with the self-evident fact (to true believers, at least) that traditional societies and cultures are by definition morally superior to the West.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Apr. 18 2014 14:18:09
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Spanish Village called "Kil... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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The chapel made a strong impression on me, as I visited it many times as a young man. My fiancee, the daughter of refugees from the Spanish Civil War, worked here as a caretaker at the orphanage.
Seriously ill with the flu, she was evicted from the Seguro Social hospital in Guadalajara (operated by the PRI-controlled government) before she recovered fully because she could not pay the required bribe.
I was in the U.S. Army at the time, and was not allowed leave to care for her, since she was not technically a relative. She died of a relapse of the flu and pneumonia at the age of 19.
Fifty-one years later I am more saddened than angered --though I was violently angry at the time, and am still angered--but I find it ironic that the PRI prided itself on social justice and despised the Conquistadores, while the Hospicio set up by the Spanish had rescued her in time of need, and the corruption of the PRI cast her out.
RNJ
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Date Apr. 18 2014 15:54:26
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Ruphus
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RE: Spanish Village called "Kil... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria
Ruphus, I think the word you're looking for is "psychopath" or "sociopath". We're fairly obsessed with them here in the United States, although it's very possible that we underestimate their numbers and the actual banal reality of their existence.
There has been some speculation that the psychopath exists because it's useful in war. I have also seen some articles suggesting they are overrepresented at the upper management level in business. One of those ideas that rings a bit true.
"Psychopath" or "sociopath" both fit, but I was out after one distinct subvariety, the sadist. Pathological mentality must be a theme in the US since Reagen simply closed mental asylums, but due to declining sociological conditions, being an increasing occurance globally.
Having them around and berserking means an incredible thread to the defenseless and exposed. It really urgently deserves investigative, prophylcatical and therapeutic measures.
While you mention psychopaths suiting for war, it leads to another similar point. Which is that all the regimes through the past 5 millenia are crippling the mental state.
All who is brave, solidary, analytically thinking and empathical has been reduced since.
Because of fine character and vigilance opposing autocracy.
And so, as fine characters will be provoked by injust and raise, so will they be spottet and removed from society. Be it by killing or merely be rendering them randomized and powerless.
The steady selection has left the originally healthy, proud and of sound opinion individual now as offspring and heir of largely opportunist and egocentric fellows.
This together with detouched upbringing obviously yields a high percentage of mind sets between irritation and severe psycho pathology.
Again complementing perfectly for the character needed as enslaved servant. Whether as thoughtless worker or unfeeling mercenary.
The fatal condition about evil is that its products will complement themselves so perfectly. It makes methods appear like complete systems.
So perfectly actually, that you can´t anymore point out certain banalities like blatant injust or exploitation to your average fellow men.
He will simply not perceive it.
Disorder like such has been programmed out of intellect by kings who built the people´s school of deception since thousands of years.
Most refined example: Economy.
The masters of current didactics of economy are perfect Arsen Lupins. They are just dropping a major part of coherence under the table. It compares like say anatomy tought as a science without subject of legs.
And you can overall estimate the firmness of brain wash by the little of awareness and objection against such really not overly demanding conjuring trick in the economical academies.
There definitly is a detrimental usefulness of deranged men in place.
Ruphus
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Date Apr. 18 2014 17:06:08
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Spanish Village called "Kil... (in reply to Ruphus)
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since Reagen simply closed mental asylums,
Reagan closed mental hospitals in California when he was governor of that state, but that is not the complete story by any means. Large numbers of mentally ill patients were released throughout the United States during the 1970s and 1980s as a result of pressure brought to bear by both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives wanted to release many mentally ill patients and close facilities in order to achieve a tighter fiscal position, spending less on social programs. Liberals, on the other hand, wanted to release many of the mentally ill because they bought into the "patients' rights" movement that advocated "de-institutionalization" of the mentally ill. There was a significant movement that claimed many of the mentally ill could function in their "altered state" and that they should not be institutionalized. Both conservatives and liberals bear responsibility for the large numbers of mentally ill people roaming the streets homeless and sleeping on steam grates in many American cities today. One more example of the Road to Hell being Paved with Good Intentions.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Apr. 18 2014 17:39:32
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