Vicente Amigo playing the Vicente Amigo Signature guitars

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avimuno

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Vicente Amigo playing the Vicente Am...

Hey guys,

Here's a video of Vicente playing a couple of his new signature guitars, enjoy!

Saludos!

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avimuno

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

Btw, is it me or does the second guitar he picks up, although being a negra, looks like a blanca inside?! You can definitely see a lighter colored wood if you look inside the guitar. Does that mean that the back and sides woods for this particular guitar have been tainted to look like a negra?!

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el carbonero

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

is it navarro guitar?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2014 20:36:58

avimuno

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

They are yes.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

To me the second one sounded more Vicente-y. The third one sounded very hollow by comparison.

These short VA videos that usually come up are very enjoyable. The farruca at the hotel room was great.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2014 21:42:43

tri7/5

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

Great playing from Vicente as always.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2014 21:43:13

Ricardo

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

quote:

ORIGINAL: avimuno

Btw, is it me or does the second guitar he picks up, although being a negra, looks like a blanca inside?! You can definitely see a lighter colored wood if you look inside the guitar. Does that mean that the back and sides woods for this particular guitar have been tainted to look like a negra?!

Laminated. Not a new idea but makes the guitar super heavy. Don't really see the point.

1. nasal tone.
2. better.
3. best of the 3 but...

how can these compare to what he normally has? They sound kind of cheap to me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2014 21:53:28

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

Don’t like the beard — makes him look like an Amish

(Not that they aren’t fine in their own habitat, of course)

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Bulerias2005

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

Great playing obviously, but I don't really like the sound of the guitars. :( Way too dry sounding.

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Pgh_flamenco

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to Ricardo)

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Laminated. Not a new idea but makes the guitar super heavy. Don't really see the point.

It's just something to sell. I'm sure he gets a cut, but I doubt he'll be trading in his Reyes for one of these guitars. It's just a money grab.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2014 23:53:00

Kalo

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

I am not understanding are these guitar Fransico Navarro Reyes model that he is now endorsing?

If so what makes these models any different from the Reyes models Navarro already makes?

Kalo

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HolyEvil

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

The 2nd and 3rd guitar sounds good. Funny how the 2nd guitar sounds more negra than the first guitar.

If the price is good and affordable, then why not. No everyone can afford a conde or Reyes.

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aeolus

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

#3 sounds the better to me but maybe his recording gear is somewhat to blame. Here is a vid of a Tomatito signature guitar that sounds way better.
GSI in LA has a 2011 but don;t divulge the asking price, This model is supposed to be the "most affordable" of the line. This clip was on their web site so supposedly this is the one for sale.

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gbv1158

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

They sound kind of cheap to me

... very cheep! :-)

ciao
giambattista

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Leñador

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

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GSI in LA has a 2011 but don;t divulge the asking price, This model is supposed to be the "most affordable" of the line. This clip was on their web site so supposedly this is the one for sale.

I played that exact guitar, it's super stiff and did not sound great to me. They only want like 2k or so for it if I remember right.

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aeolus

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to Leñador)

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I played that exact guitar, it's super stiff and did not sound great to me. They only want like 2k or so for it if I remember right.

Some luthier once said: "who would sell a good guitar?"

I was thinking that it's only a 2011 so some one got tired of waiting for the spruce top to develope in hopes of salvaging his investment. GSI will take a guitar back in trade for 2 years after purchase. Could be. I bought a Conde af26 I think it was from them and I really liked it but the c on strings 1 and 2 was really dead. Hated to send it back.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2014 14:13:53

Erik van Goch

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to aeolus)

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

Some luthier once said: "who would sell a good guitar?"

Does that also count for luthiers?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2014 14:50:36

aeolus

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to Erik van Goch)

quote:

A luthier (/ˈluːtiər/ loo-ti-ər)[1] is someone who makes or repairs lutes and other string instruments. In the United States, the term is used interchangeably with any term that refers to a specific, or specialty type of stringed instrument, such as violin maker, guitar maker, lute maker, etc. The word luthier comes from the French word luth, which means lute.

What's your point?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2014 15:05:26

Ricardo

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to aeolus)

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

quote:

A luthier (/ˈluːtiər/ loo-ti-ər)[1] is someone who makes or repairs lutes and other string instruments. In the United States, the term is used interchangeably with any term that refers to a specific, or specialty type of stringed instrument, such as violin maker, guitar maker, lute maker, etc. The word luthier comes from the French word luth, which means lute.

What's your point?

his point is that If such be the case a guitar build is SO good, then how could even the luthier himself part with it?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2014 18:10:15

aeolus

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to Ricardo)

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his point is that If such be the case a guitar build is SO good, then how could even the luthier himself part with it?

I think the luthier's point was that really good guitars are not that plentiful so it would stand to reason that an owner would not want to sell one. And I have heard of luthiers not selling the odd guitar to have around the shop for the players to test. As GSI is on the west coast and I am on the east, the brief tryout time and the expense of returning an instrument means I would decide against this instrument based on its age which indicates to me it's previous owner could have been dissatisfied. Luckily I now have Lenador's excellent first hand experience with the instrument. At $2000 I might have been tempted as GSI assures us Tomatito checks everyone and only approves those he is satisfied with.

I have no idea what Erik was going on about.

Edit:Checking the GSI tomatito is a new 2010 which makes it even more suspect. Probably it's listed as inquire because they are open to haggling in order to shift it.

But, there is the great one's signature which certainly is a plus'

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2014 18:41:30

tijeretamiel

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

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ORIGINAL: avimuno

Btw, is it me or does the second guitar he picks up, although being a negra, looks like a blanca inside?! You can definitely see a lighter colored wood if you look inside the guitar. Does that mean that the back and sides woods for this particular guitar have been tainted to look like a negra?!

It might be a laminate guitar, which if so would be a cheaper/student guitar which could be a great thing if it was priced well.

I'm a little underwhelmed by the sound of the guitars in the video itself though, but that could be down to poor recording and many other factors. They are built by Navarro who make great instruments so I'm sure in the flesh they will be excellent instruments.

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Ricardo

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to aeolus)

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I think the luthier's point was that really good guitars are not that plentiful so it would stand to reason that an owner would not want to sell one.

And if the Luthier be implying HIS guitars are THE good ones that should be kept, quite a confident statement. And then Erik's joke pretty funny...as how does one become a guitar owner after all? Luthier shooting his own foot...get it? IF the luthier be humbly implying his guitars don't turn out so good except for once in a while such that he advises please don't resell those, well, he is doing himself a disservice.

Truth is simple. Good guitars get sold because when we need money we have to let them go. Cheap or bad guitars don't sell. Simply put, nice guitars are ALWAYS an investment. That is why we try to keep em in good shape. If you are a pro and you have a workhorse tool, that's different. I would say most pro's workhorses are NOT the ones they think might fetch the most $ (if they have more than one nice guitar after all). Exceptions to famous guys with beat up legendary axes whose battle scares add to collectablility.

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aeolus

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

OK...now it dawns on me what Eric was talking about. I didn't understand because I took it at face value what the guy was talking about which was a private owner selling a guitar. Not a luthier selling his own instruments.
And of course who would no better than a builder how variable the product can be. I remember reading on a forum Arron Green writing that he received a commission from a famous player and was making a batch of 3 in hopes one would be special. Ergo if one chances upon a special guitar, why sell it.

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el carbonero

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to avimuno)

How a navarro can beat a reyes.
Be serious guys

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aeolus

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to el carbonero)

quote:

How a navarro can beat a reyes.
Be serious guys

Navarro on the left

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2014 21:57:27

Morante

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to el carbonero)

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How a navarro can beat a reyes.
Be serious guys

I have played several Reyes. Last week I played a navarro which was as good as most of them.

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Vicente Amigo playing the Vicent... (in reply to aeolus)

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

Some luthier once said: "who would sell a good guitar?"

Aside from the luthier himself (that was indeed the joke i mend) there can be various options like

* People not being able to play the instrument themselves anymore
* People who inherited an instrument
* People in need of money
* People owning a harem of good guitars some (or even many) of which remain untouched for years.

Some people even give them away. A dutch guy called Ad Rooymans gave a very young Vicente (15?) a Gerundino for free for no other reason then that he loved his playing and thought he deserved a better instrument. Vicente played that instrument in 1983 (the first time we met) but it was stolen from him later in his career..... i guess thieves of good guitars every now and then sell good guitars as well.

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