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want to ask you advanced players..what is the secret to flamenco tone? is it your nails?(shaped a certain way) cause if u hear classical guitarists playing the same guitar as flamenco plyer, the tone is always different. can someone please tell me. I am an advanced classical guitar player that just wants to sound flamenco(tone).
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Date Dec. 3 2005 4:05:49
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I'm not an advanced player, but I think flamenco sound must be very percusive and strong, if you play near the neck you'll have the total opposite of that, which is good for classical but poop for any flamenco, so you must play near the bridge.
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Date Dec. 3 2005 4:16:53
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The direction of attack is everything, since you already have the nails. Most of the time, you'll be playing nearer to the bridge but that doesn't mean that you should overdo it. I play classical mainly and quite a bit of flamenco so it's not the nail shape that's different since I switch between both styles often. It's the way you play that counts. I figured out how to get a more flamenco tone by listening to recordings and experimenting. But what I mainly do it, attack the string a little harder than classical and push it more towards the soundboard. I also play slightly nearer to the bridge and these 2 factors give a different tone as compared to classical.
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Date Dec. 3 2005 6:33:52
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ToddK
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A sharp or more agressive attack does not produce flamenco tone. Though that might be a small facet of it. Playing flamenco techniques, with a sharp attack does not produce flamenco tone. Playing flamenco pieces with a flamenco guitar, using a sharp attack does not produce flamenco tone. I've heard plenty of people do all these things, and still have no flamenco tone. Somebody mentioned Pepe Romero. He's a great example. He plays some flamenco pieces, yet doesnt sound the least bit flamenco. His classical attitude and tone remains, even though he's playing the "correct" guitar, with the "correct" technique. Flamenco tone comes from playing with flamenco spirit. Its the attitude behind the hands. Its the "way" you touch, not how hard, soft, or staccato. ITs sort of an abstract thing to describe. Its sort of like an english speaker , speaking spanish, but with no accent. He's saying the words right phoenticaly, but you can tell he's not from Spain. Of course, he can develop an accent, but only with much time, and only after immersing himself in the culture, wich includes hearing spanish being spoken daily, and getting a sense of the rhythm. So, when you play flamenco, it has to have that "accent" to it. Just like a language, its not just rolling some R's and lisping your S's. Or longer nails, and sharp rest strokes. There is complex subtlety to it. It takes time and exposure.
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Date Dec. 4 2005 4:48:58
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Hey Todd, I agree with you. The only thing I'm going to have to correct you on is the Spanish stuff. The "lisp" is in the "Z" and the "CI" and "CE" combinations. Sorry, I'm a Spanish teacher and couldn't let that one slide!! . I hope you don't mind. Un saludo, Errol
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Date Dec. 4 2005 13:00:19
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Miguel de Maria
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Todd, so what you're saying, is that if I want to sound flamenco when I play, then it's not about the guitar, or the strings, or the way my nail is shaped. Do you mean, I actually have to learn how to play the guitar???!!! That's messed up, man... I thought that once I got the right strings, then I would be set!
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Date Dec. 5 2005 3:31:06
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i think its possible to develop good flamenco sound, without going to live in Spain. If you want to be the next Paco,then yeah, you might want to visit for a few years. But with some effort, one can find ways to take in a little Spanish aire, away from Spain. You just have to, as Miguel said, immerse yourself in the music/culture as much as you possibly can. That can be tough, especially in USA. But it can be done. Find albums/CDs and listen to all the good flamenco. Listen to Cante. Pay close attention to the inflections of the singers. This ties heavily into guitar/falsetta phrasings. Find flamenco people, and hang out with them. ( i know, easy to say, hard to do) Read about Spain. Talk about dramatic history. Lots going on. Gives you more of a feel for the overall attitude in that part of the world. Try to learn some basic Spanish. Not tons of words. Just a few, but go for authentic accent/pronounciation. There's definatly a correlation between the rhythm of the Spanish language/accent, and the feel of flamenco. TK
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Date Dec. 5 2005 19:13:43
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