RE: solea vs solea por buleria

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zata

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to Ricardo)

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Sure they are the only ones...right...

As I said previously, you sometimes hear it in Lebrija too, but not nearly as much. In Jerez never, because SxB is such a well-defined cante here, and in other places, rarely if ever.

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Ricardo

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to zata)

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ORIGINAL: zata

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Sure they are the only ones...right...

As I said previously, you sometimes hear it in Lebrija too, but not nearly as much. In Jerez never, because SxB is such a well-defined cante here, and in other places, rarely if ever.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 22 2014 20:06:47

orsonw

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to zata)

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In Jerez never, because SxB is such a well-defined cante here

I'm confused. The Terremoto clip is mislabeled it should be solea por bulerias not solea?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 22 2014 20:40:32

zata

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to orsonw)

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I'm confused. A solea cante it's always different than solea por buleria cante? I had understood it could be the same cante/letra with different compas/acompaniment?

Different cantes. But it can be confusing because some singers mix soleá and SxB, which is all the more confusing since SxB is also called bulería por soleá, bulerías al golpe and bulería pa'escuchar, depending on the era, the area and the singer. Decades ago in Jerez, SxB was called bulería pa'escuchar, but I think only Manuel Agujeta still calls it that.

Just for the record, no compás/accompaniment alone identifies a "palo", with the possible exception of tientos, that only differ from tangos de Cádiz in the right-hand strum that gives the rubato. In Cádiz older singers still say "tangos" when they want the guitarist to play tientos.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 22 2014 20:53:03

HolyEvil

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to zata)

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ORIGINAL: zata

Different cantes. But it can be confusing because some singers mix soleá and SxB, which is all the more confusing since SxB is also called bulería por soleá, bulerías al golpe and bulería pa'escuchar, depending on the era, the area and the singer.

Isn't spb, solea and bulerias cante interchangeable?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 23 2014 2:57:44

Ricardo

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to orsonw)

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ORIGINAL: orsonw

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In Jerez never, because SxB is such a well-defined cante here

I'm confused. The Terremoto clip is mislabeled it should be solea por bulerias not solea?

The first cante he sings is solea de alcala. Joaquin de Paula baby.

Just for the record, Ricardo's normal patience level is slightly diminished. For the coming days beware, no offense intended.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 23 2014 6:48:52

zata

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RE: solea vs solea por buleria (in reply to Ricardo)

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The first cante he sings is solea de alcala. Joaquin de Paula baby.

Just for the record, Ricardo's normal patience level is slightly diminished. For the coming days beware, no offense intended.

And here’s my warning: as a journalist I’m accustomed to ignoring warnings.

I don’t know what a “Joaquín de Paula baby” is, but this is a perfect example of how some singers mix soleá and SxB. This particular style of Alcalá is often used as an all-purpose first verse. The second verse is classic SxB (think: “Voy como si fuera preso”), and the third is Frijones, the prototype SxB.

Furthermore, this recording is 40 years old, from a time when even serious flamencos were not calling these cantes “soleá por bulería” or any of the assorted labels now applied, and molasses-slow soleá had not yet become fashionable.

Nowadays a conscious effort is made to differentiate soleá and SxB, possibly because the latter, which didn’t used to be danced, has become an important part of the flamenco dancer’s repertoire. A dance program can now include both soleá and SxB without giving any appearance of repetition.

My advice is enjoy the cante, and don’t worry about the labels.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 23 2014 8:44:30