Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant

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ZaidRockso

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Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant

Are they both used equally in flamenco? i'm confused. Thanks

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

What is Phrygian Dominant ?

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ZaidRockso

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

Phrygian dom : http://jguitar.com/scale/E/Phrygian%20Dominant

Phrygian : http://jguitar.com/scale?root=E&scale=Phrygian&fret=0&labels=none¬es=sharps

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

Phrygian Dominant (aka. Alpha Phrygian) is the scale that gets all the hot notes.

Not to be confused with the Chromatic scale, this one will pick any note no matter how lousy she might be. We can say that this scale doesn't have a high standard as opposed to the aforementioned Phrygian Dominant.

You might want to check the Harmonic Minor too, its a species closely related to the Phrygian Dominant, they can't even hit the bars together because they end up picking up the same babes... I mean notes.

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Leñador

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

There's so many "accidentals" and so much artistic liberty in flamenco I don't think you can just say that. I think of it more as Phrygian is the base but really do whatever you want as long as it sounds right for the given situation.

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ZaidRockso

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

Thanks a bunch for clearing it up guys!

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ToddK

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

Flamenco is like jazz, pretty much anything goes. ITs more about having
the guts to play an "out" note, and doing it with that flamenco attitude behind it.

Not about picking a scale or mode and staying within those parameters.

If it sounds good, it is good. The theory is only there to attempt to explain
it all after the fact. There are no rules.

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

OK so two pointless diagrams of c major from one of the school of pointless schematics on a website by nonmusicians and for nonmusicians.

Phrygian dominant is scale based on a seventh chord with a flat sixth and a flat ninth and a natural eleventh. So E phrygian dominant is E G# B and D (an E7chord) plus C F and A (note that the three addeded tones make up an f triad this is not a coincidence).

If you were to make the two chords Fmajor and E minor(7) then you would make a standard (urgh) phrygian.

Both are used typically the second one on every chord except the tonic (in this case E) which gets the Gsharp.

D.

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mark indigo

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

quote:

Are they both used equally in flamenco? i'm confused. Thanks

scour the archives here

read Ricardo's explanation of the use of the Phrygian mode in flamenco,
and how that and the Andaluz/Phrygian/flamenco cadence combine to form Phrygian "keys" equivalent to major and minor keys in other music
it's good

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athrane77

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to ZaidRockso)

for pretty inventive harmonic and use of exotic scales listen to PdL and Antonio Rey.
!!!! Man that taranta, i never heard anything compareable

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mark indigo

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RE: Phrygian Vs Phrygian Dominant (in reply to mark indigo)

quote:

read Ricardo's explanation of the use of the Phrygian mode in flamenco,
and how that and the Andaluz/Phrygian/flamenco cadence combine to form Phrygian "keys" equivalent to major and minor keys in other music

I had a look for you, but can't find it,
I'm sure it was in a recent thread, he put it into words really well,
short, concise, easy to understand.
You might try the thread "Why Phrygian?" though....

Basically, in answer to your question

quote:

Are they both used equally in flamenco? i'm confused. Thanks

in E Phrygian the Andaluz/Flamenco/Phrygian cadence/chord progression is
A minor, G major, F major, E major.

The G major obviously has a root note of G natural,
and the E major chord has a not of G# in it.
So in terms of scales you are looking at both the standard Phrygian mode/scale AND the Phrygian Dominant
(or you can call them Phrygian minor and Phrygian major)

But it's not really about which scale you should use....
theory should come AFTER the practise,
so study the actual music first,
and then if you want to name the scales used you can.

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