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Morante

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El Torta

Adiós a un gran cantaor. Juan Moneo passed away this madrugada from cardiac failure at his home in Sanlúcar. He was 60 years old. R.I.P and condolences to his family.

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avimuno

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From: Paris, France

RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

Such sad news!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2013 13:21:52

edguerin

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

¡ DEP !

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2013 13:24:09

mezzo

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

this new year begins with such a sad news.
I began to appreciate his arte not so long ago. I'm gonna enjoy his stuff more, no doubt.
DEP.

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

Sad news, incredible cantaor. Another great one from Jerez gone..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2013 22:41:18

machopicasso

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

For those not familiar with him, here's a clip:

What other clips would people recommend?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 10:07:29

Morante

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RE: El Torta (in reply to machopicasso)

Hoy, mi mujer se fué a la casa de sus padres. Me quedé solo. Hice un arroz de los restos de una gran comida de cordero, y pusé el disco de la familia de los Moneo, grabado hace pocos años en directo, toda la familia sentado alrededor de una mesa. Algunos cantes accompañado de nudos, otros con la guitarra magistral de Moraíto.

Este es para llorar, este el la pura verdad de flamenco.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 14:11:20

changue

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From: London

RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

I doubt if I'll be the only one on here to be struck by that last post of Morante's.

In the circumstances, I hesitate to add anything but I thought the following might be worthwhile:

There's a superb collection, "Al Aire de Jerez" (Nuevos Medios 2006), one of the three CDs is as Morante describes, exactly. There is also Jerez: Fiesta y Cante Jondo (Auvidis 1991) El Torta and his distinguished brother Manuel sing on that. If you want to know what cante gitano sounds like, look no further.

Mis mas sinceras condolencias a sus familiares.

Changue

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 17:24:23

mark74

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

Can someone translate Morante's post?

I think he says "Today my woman went to her parents house. I remained alone. I made rice with lamb(?) and put on a record of the Moneo famiy recorded directly of the family sitting around a table. Some songs were unaccompanied and others were accompanied by the majestic guitar of Moraito.

This is for crying, this is the true pure flamenco."

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 18:10:09

changue

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From: London

RE: El Torta (in reply to mark74)

I'm not a great expert. You got the gist of it. Here are a few notes that might help:

quote:

accompañado de nudos

knuckles, rapping on the table.

"en directo" means live, recorded live.

"hace pocos años en direct" - a few years ago, live…

"Este es para llorar" - I would interpret this as, "It would reduce you to tears".

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 18:20:41

Morante

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RE: El Torta (in reply to changue)

Sorry for writing in Spanish, but we are all very upset here and emotions are easier to express in Spanish.

The other disc, recorded at the same time and in the same way es de la Familia de La Morena and is also of great value.

Curro, the brother of Fernando de La Morena, seldom sang on stage but many considered him the better cantaor. He died suddenly when, a week later, he was to sing at Viernes Flamencos. That night, Fernando dedicated a seguiriyas to Curro but burst into tears and could not finish the cante.

Anyone who wants to understand the present structure and closeknit nature of the familias gitanas de Santiago should read "Flamencos de la Gañanía" by Estela Zatania.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 19:19:47

pink

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

An apology is not needed or expected...I hope I can speak for all with this.
The translation I could find was much like Mark74 and although perhaps not accurate /exact , enough .
Loss, be it personal from the perspective of one known to us or from the perspective of a common ''link'' such as the love of a musical form is, either way huge. I am/was not familiar with the works of El Torta or the family but am sorry to all family ,friends or lovers of the music which was given/shared. My condolences to all.

Best

pink

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 19:41:35

Andy Culpepper

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

This tangos by El Torta is one of my favorites ever. Does anyone know (Morante?) if he created this letra and tune? I've never heard a tangos quite like it before but I've heard it sung more recently by Canelita.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 20:56:08

koenie17

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From: España

RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

Another genius from Jerez has left us...
Have a great juerga up there with all the other ones.
Hasta siempre maestro!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 21:04:23

mark indigo

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

i had a few of his recordings like Colores Morenos which I listened to a lot....
RIP

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2014 22:17:36

orsonw

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RE: El Torta (in reply to machopicasso)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 2 2014 17:25:54

mark indigo

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

this thread is too short

here a little clip from Carlos Saura's film "Flamenco"

and here a longer clip with the whole of that bulerías

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 9 2014 18:48:01

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2014 4:44:19

mark74

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RE: El Torta (in reply to kudo)

Is that really an appropriate comment on a thread like this? This thread was created to honor an artist who passed away show some respect

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 11 2014 9:31:39

machopicasso

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RE: El Torta (in reply to mark indigo)

quote:

this thread is too short

here a little clip from Carlos Saura's film "Flamenco"

Thanks for posting those!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 11 2014 10:31:22

Brendan

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

http://youtu.be/rixe2faz0w0

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2014 16:49:02

changue

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Brendan)

Roquero! Ole!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2014 19:32:09

devilhand

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RE: El Torta (in reply to Morante)

quote:

Hoy, mi mujer se fué a la casa de sus padres. Me quedé solo. Hice un arroz de los restos de una gran comida de cordero, y pusé el disco de la familia de los Moneo, grabado hace pocos años en directo, toda la familia sentado alrededor de una mesa. Algunos cantes accompañado de nudos, otros con la guitarra magistral de Moraíto.

Este es para llorar, este el la pura verdad de flamenco.

What was the title of this recording of Moneo family?

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