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Arash

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria

Okay, I was listening to Nino de Pura's album Pozo y Caudal. Some of that is definitely fakemenco. I used to kind of make fun of it, but it's pleasant and exciting if you can get over the commercial production.

there are 3 rumbas on that album which is quite a lot, but none of them is really fakemenco. i wanne see one of these pussies mentioned in this thread play one of those rumbas, they will all fail disastrously.
Even the "fantasy" piece is nowhere fakemenco.
Besides it has one of the most difficult and best Solea por bulerias ever (Deja que sueñe). its a cheaply produced CD with bad backing tracks (such as the one for the tangos, etc.). its definately more 'commercial', but fakemenco is something else.

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Arash)

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ORIGINAL: Arash

Besides it has one of the most difficult and best Solea por bulerias ever (Deja que sueñe). its a cheaply produced CD with bad backing tracks (such as the one for the tangos, etc.).

Backing tracks? Everything sounded like real musicians to me and about as high budget as flamenco gets, besides Vicente.

Now here is another crossover attempt that didn't quite make it:
FAKEDISCO!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 26 2013 14:12:19

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

You guys are driving me crazy. Since my wonderful phone OS upgrade I can't see the videos. Then I forget at the weekend again.

I've tried flamenco radio stations and they're too tiring. Why so much cheese in fakemenco/flamenco?

The arrangements are so often a horror show.

The string arrangements of the film The Hit were gorgeous. But that's God at it again.

Does anyone have any recommendations for dvd rumba instructions? All have is my own fake riffs. And I'm too thick and lazy to figure general things. I need to see someone doing it bit by bit. Yes, I am officially a rumba wanabee. I lurv even the stuff I might come to dislike. But I doubt I will ever dislike the stuff I like now. (Not that it's mistaken to hear it all as elevator music. But I am seldom in a musical elevator. And I miss them, lounge piano, yum.) It was always fakemenco for me.

But I still don't get why 'touches' of flamenco seem to add class to other forms but 'spicing' flamenco seems often awful.

I cannot figure why people such as Nunez et al are not writing film scores.

Any rumberos can help an old alter boy?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 26 2013 14:49:43

Morante

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to z6)

Listen to Peret, the lengendary rumbero de Cataluña. Great songs with that infectious soniquete.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 26 2013 15:21:21

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Morante)

Many thanks.

I'll google for a dvd. But it's so hard to tell. I have a terrific set of flamenco guitar dvds but flamenco world wouldn't give me dvd 1. (Thieving bstrds.)

I literally have a lifetime's worth as I have to get faster just to get in the game. Rumba is good for me. It's the medecine I need. But I make up my patterns and it descends into cheese or rock.

I have a vacation coming and I need to get lounge-worthy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 27 2013 4:25:45

guitarbuddha

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to z6)

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ORIGINAL: z6

Many thanks.

I literally have a lifetime's worth as I have to get faster just to get in the game. Rumba is good for me. It's the medecine I need. But I make up my patterns and it descends into cheese or rock.

I have a vacation coming and I need to get lounge-worthy.

A fun way to practice is to play along slow with the clave (just clicks) and to build up the groove like a conga player. One stroke at a time Real slow. Once it feels reel good puting the speed up a little at a time going back to one hit per bar then two three etc will be easy and feel great.

It should also get rid of the rock feel. You can alternate one bar of rhumba compas with one of a scale or lick or pattern and you might feel the style changing when you flip to picado. Don't worry, build it up one note at a time focusing on listening to the clave and trying to tap a straight two feel and you should notice a lot of rhythmic nuance magically emerge in your right hand.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 27 2013 11:25:42

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Cheers Buddha. I will do that.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 27 2013 14:24:03

Bliblablub

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Arash)

The rumbas on Pozo y caudal display a master level flamenco player blending with alternate instruments like drums and sax and "impro" kinda style rumbas, which are flamenco since paco, ripping through some nice melodies and scales. Hardly fakemenco.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2013 13:19:31

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Bliblablub)

My strong memory is of Paco being dismissed as fakemenco.

I had never heard the word (fantastic word) but that is clearly what they meant.... All those years ago.

I almost fainted when I heard Almoraima. I never heard a flamenco player say such things - it being certifiably insane and all. If you can play then it doesn't even matter what the music is. But I was once in a pub and a guy was playing Quando Quando on a Les Paul and singing out of tune and out of key, into a huge, high quality, PA. That's fakemenco, to me, but I have wide and low standards.

I can't listen to the trio because of de Meola and his self-conscious jibbering. I never could. Mc Claughlin is incapable of playing anything that doesn't sing like an angel. It was a stepping stone into flamenco, for me.

That's what I want to play, thought I. Am I imagining things? Because it seems so unlikely but I'm sure I can remember the astonishment.

And no wonder Paco offered di Meola a mild toon-up. It must have been the only way to shut him up.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2013 14:59:25

gj Michelob

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to guitarbuddha)

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A fun way to practice is to play along slow with the clave (just clicks) and to build up the groove like a conga player. One stroke at a time Real slow. Once it feels reel good puting the speed up a little at a time going back to one hit per bar then two three etc will be easy and feel great.

It should also get rid of the rock feel. You can alternate one bar of rhumba compas with one of a scale or lick or pattern and you might feel the style changing when you flip to picado. Don't worry, build it up one note at a time focusing on listening to the clave and trying to tap a straight two feel and you should notice a lot of rhythmic nuance magically emerge in your right hand.

If I may.... That's the GB I enjoy reading.

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to gj Michelob)

Warts and all !

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2013 15:50:05

Miguel de Maria

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Arash)

Okay.... is this real?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 1 2013 2:20:44

El Kiko

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

real it is .......an old vinyl album ....from the sixties

''This text gives an idea of the personality of Agustín Castellón, who had his mind sufficiently broadened in America that he made the first known recorded attempt at fusion, "Rock Encounter" (Polygram, 1966), together with Joe Beck. The result was not very satisfactory according to the musician himself who would later say: "I like neither rock nor jazz. I did it because my brother Diego wanted to open up other fields in order to sell more"......

source ..

http://www.flamenco-world.com/artists/sabicas/sabicas.htm

edit ....it sounds crap top me apart from the little Sabicas bit here and there, big mistake

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 1 2013 10:41:31

orsonw

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to z6)

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Does anyone have any recommendations for dvd rumba instructions? All have is my own fake riffs. And I'm too thick and lazy to figure general things. I need to see someone doing it bit by bit

This youtube channel has several videos that may help.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2013 21:33:41

Leñador

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Arash)

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real it is .......an old vinyl album ....from the sixties

''This text gives an idea of the personality of Agustín Castellón, who had his mind sufficiently broadened in America that he made the first known recorded attempt at fusion, "Rock Encounter" (Polygram, 1966), together with Joe Beck. The result was not very satisfactory according to the musician himself who would later say: "I like neither rock nor jazz. I did it because my brother Diego wanted to open up other fields in order to sell more"......

Yikes!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2013 22:32:51

mark74

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RE: Fakemenco you like (in reply to Arash)

I love this even though this pretty girl sings out of tune

Stuff like this reminds of the Julio Iglesias, GK's, Camile Sesto, Ana Gabriel ballads I used to hear as a kid

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