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I am going to Jerez for several months and my question is if anyone can recommend good teachers or schools there? I know there are many teachers/schools and I would be glad if I could hear some recommendations. My spanish is sufficient for studying but obviously I will have to study it equally with the guitar.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
I was in Jerez earlier this year and had lessons from Santiago Moreno. He is the son of Maria del Mar Moreno and had been playing and accompanying since a very early age. He is a good teacher.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to 12850bd)
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ORIGINAL: 12850bd
I was in Jerez earlier this year and had lessons from Santiago Moreno. He is the son of Maria del Mar Moreno and had been playing and accompanying since a very early age. He is a good teacher.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
i went to el carbonero school there, very good and cheap !traditional material that he makes sure that is at your level and makes sure you play them well before going up
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RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to 12850bd)
actually Santi is her brother - but I do highly recommend him as he's a pure Jerez player...most proficient at accompanying baile, but you can learn everything else from him...
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
theres no point going to a school if youre not a beginner, nothing is taught there you cant grab off videos on the internet or the rito y geografia series
if you want a school go to jose ignacio francos school, he'll charge you the same as everyone one else, carbonero will charge a foreigner 3 times the rate, dont waste your time with him
why not learn off your favorite guitarists while youre there, theres so many, spend your time wiser
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
hey tele and all, I will be in Cádiz the whole winter and really search good teachers too. Jerez is quite near so I guess there is way more going on than in Cádiz? Maybe I should just "jump into it" instead of planing everything now from the distance...but really thank you guys as well for the advices...I'd just like to play and practise every day and night without stop ;) just my money is limited... wish you lots of luck and inspiration tele!
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)
I'll second that, Santi is a true gent and an awesome dance accompanist. Jose Ignacio Franco is an excellent player and easy to get on with. There are so, so many good guitarists in Jerez but not all of them like to teach or have the time. A good strategy is to hang out in pen(y)as flamencas like Los Cernicalos or La Buleria or one of the many others. Carbonero's school is a pretty solid option if you're not too advanced yet. Or try Fernando Moreno's guitar shop where he gives lessons. Even if you're already a good player, some good Jerez falsetas and compas are always a good thing to absorb.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to davidheis_24)
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ORIGINAL: davidheis_24
theres no point going to a school if youre not a beginner, nothing is taught there you cant grab off videos on the internet or the rito y geografia series
if you want a school go to jose ignacio francos school, he'll charge you the same as everyone one else, carbonero will charge a foreigner 3 times the rate, dont waste your time with him
why not learn off your favorite guitarists while youre there, theres so many, spend your time wiser
I was thinking in schools they would offer also private lessons... Well of course the best way is to have one on one lessons where you can request lessons on specific things. Obviously what needs most one on one lessons is accompanying but until that I have several years of studying but it would be nice to understand the basics of it. I love visiting flamenco peñas and I have found the people to be very open there and would not be surprised if many peña guitarists are also teachers.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
(sry for stealing your thread tele ;) )anyone a useful recommendation for a guy who's fluent in spanish, knows the major palos (more or less) and the very basics of alzapua, picado, rasgeados et cetera and will live in Cádiz for the winter time? I'd really like to find an excellent teacher or school for intense classes...
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to dreolino)
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ORIGINAL: dreolino
(sry for stealing your thread tele ;) )anyone a useful recommendation for a guy who's fluent in spanish, knows the major palos (more or less) and the very basics of alzapua, picado, rasgeados et cetera and will live in Cádiz for the winter time? I'd really like to find an excellent teacher or school for intense classes...
Isn't there alot of spanish guitar teachers, almost like in Jerez? When Jerez is 45 minutes away why not take classes there also as a possibility?
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
it's because Im going to work in Cádiz and don't know if I will always have the time for Jerez (I'd like to have several classes/week). I bet there many many very skilled people in cádiz. just asking if by chance somebody already has a recommendation for a good teacher with didactic skills also who wont rip you off ;)
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to dreolino)
Does anyone have experience with the master classes? What kind of stuff do they usually teach there and can one person ask something there? There is diego del morao class 300 euros for a week coming up.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
I've been through the whole experience and lived in Jerez for twelve years. I forgot to mention a couple of other people it's worthwhile asking around for in Jerez.
One is Jesus Agarrado 'El Guardia.' He's a competent guitarist, not flashy but totally authentic and knows it all inside out. I made friends with him and hung out at his home. He showed me lots of falsetas and compas things and never asked me for a penny. He has a son who is developing as a singer. Jesus is welcoming to foreigners, a decent guy in my experience. He has helped quite a few foreigners in this way over the years. He's related to El Torta, whom I met at Jesus's home, but in Jerez they're all related in some way or other.
Just found a clip of him with La Macanita so you can recognise Jesus El Guardia, link at bottom of post.
Another lesser-known player who is happy to just sit and swap falsetas etc with you is called Jesus Pozo. He lives in a part of Jerez called El Chicle and he makes a living accompanying dance classes. Rock-solid player, friendly and approachable, although he never ever ever ever shuts up talking. But he loves to play and will do so non-stop if you keep sort of prodding him to, even if it's to make him stop talking.
IMHO these are the sort of people an outsider can get a lot out of during their time in Jerez. If you say you want 'clases' then euro signs will flash in people's eyes immediately. Beware of pre-arranged lessons. You might find yourself paying quite a lot for only a little bit of instruction. They've got your money, there's no hurry, why should they make intense efforts to teach you? Having said that, Jose Luis Balao, who I hope is still around and teaching, gives a good rate if you pay him monthly, then you can hang out at his place all the time if you want to. Ask around for him too. He's a character and a half.
Just take time to shoot the breeze with people and you can get a lot without money being a dominating factor.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to Turron)
Actually the best way I hope to learn is become friends with flamencos like I did last winter in spain(did not take any classes though), altough that area had much less aficionados... Simply sitting in a peña and listening can teach alot I have noticed. The prices for classes vary alot, for example one person who has played 40 years asked 6 euros per hour and a person who played 11 years asked for 30 euros per hour. I guess some people are more greedy
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
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The prices for classes vary alot, for example one person who has played 40 years asked 6 euros per hour and a person who played 11 years asked for 30 euros per hour.
I'm sure you already heard about the concept of brand Consumerism. But in the end you're "free" to buy or boycott da product...
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RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
i had lessons with jesus el guardia, cheap rate , great stuff! i went to masterclass workshop in jerez with antonio rey - 9 hours ,paid 100 euros, so that means 11 euros per hour ! best thing ever ! it was all technique stuff
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to el carbonero)
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how to jesus el guardia have pedagogy, but alomst profesional jerezano play better than him.
you are missing the point ! a great player doesnt not equal great teacher ( neither is true vice versa)! you would be surprised how many of those professionals he taught ! same goes for el carbonero and jose balao ! these are old guys, everyone respects them and their experience and knowledge !
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to kudo)
Totally agree, kudo. I mean, I 'taught' (showed until he got it) a falseta of mine to El Nino Jero (Periquin) because he liked it. Does that mean I must be a better flamenco player than him? Noooo.... Does music only flow downhill, from superior players to lesser ones? No. It's not about 'levels' and who is better. It's about SHARING music with like-minded people in an enthusiastic and constructive atmosphere.
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to Turron)
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ORIGINAL: Turron It's about SHARING music with like-minded people in an enthusiastic and constructive atmosphere.
Indeed real flamenco has been never about money or "gurus" but when times like these are in spain and many guitarists make money only with their playing I see nothing wrong in paying for this sharing as long as the price isn't greedy. Actually I think if a guitarist is overcharging for lessons it's immediately noticeable what are his goals in teaching and what kind of attitude is he taking even in the first step. I understand that very famous guitarists can ask noticeably more because it's not one on one classes most of the time but with private lessons it's very important for me that money is not the first thing in mind of the teacher and that lessons can be taken like learning with a friend, discussing things properly and not going in any pre-ordered manner about learning.
I guess I have one more additional question, what are you guys favourite Peñas in Jerez?
RE: Studying flamenco guitar in Jerez (in reply to tele)
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what are you guys favourite Peñas in Jerez?
Peña flamenca? becaus there are lot of peña ,one bird peña media botella de vino 1,50 euros!
My appartment is neighbourg of the peñas "la buleria" ,it's one of the best.
For sure the most old,"los cernicalos" good too. "el garbanzo" good but they have a stupid neighboor so they have stopped the concert . You understand i prefer san miguel than santiago.
I know all the peñas flamencas and finally,i like all,(zua,el pescaero,terremoto,tio jose de paula,chacon,buena gente,pepe alconchel...)
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