An Artist Character to My Personal Taste

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Ruphus

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An Artist Character to My Personal Taste

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24518315

Banksy opened a stand in Central Park and sold his canvas for 60 bucks a piece.

And you get to read things like that it took 4 hours before first sale, and that a woman bought two pictures for her doughter, however only after she got 50% off the price.

Altogether only a few pics were sold and the complete sales amounted to a mere 420 USD.

Imagine the sums if this would had taken place at one of the famous auction houses in NY or GB London.
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The more I get to hear of this man the more I like him personally.

While he actually posses patent artistic skills he has not let the hype corrupt himself into believing that he was the next Michelangelo. - In the ways happening with nearly everyone who has been elected to the markets pseudo hights.

Next, of how many lucky strikes have we heard that they allegedly would not care about money? Bunches, no?
Banksy appears to be one of the few who live up to such romantic claim.

I would say spraying of NYC fassades for nada and his Central Park action are so much ridiculing the agent & galerist snobbery that he might be risking his first class elevation there.
And he will likely be aware of such potential risk. ( Albeit, after such popularity you may never be dropping back onto a bare floor.)

Anyway, seeing how many who were as much of an artist like any yard sweeping boor, did take all of their false glory into graves of vanity, a modest and strong spirit like of this artist really ennobles the contemporary scene.

I bet he would give a great chum to hang around with and look at the world.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2013 15:16:30

Erik van Goch

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

Totally love it. Being a huge fan of Banksy (and an art collector) i most probably would have passed the opportunity, assuming they were fake.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2013 17:37:51

Ruphus

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

It´s a bit like those alleged stories of aristocrates mingling as ragged fellow with the people ( and rewarding the kind ones among them).

Banksy´s "yard sale" will in the aftermath probably sharpen people´s senses for earthy / actual events ... help with recognizing something when you see it ... at least for a little while.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2013 19:55:34

Ricardo

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

Well, if he were are real down to earth dude, he wouldn't pack up the stall after one day of experiment. Let news hit the street then keep it open for a week. Then as the market is flooded with people trying to unload at $20,000 profits, I am sure the value would be dropping too.

This is more in line with the street musician experiment where the maestro violinist kept the case open and people just walked on by.

Imagine the guy's career if he just did that thing every week.

If I were the artist guy, I would have secretly (nothing the media needs to know about)...hand off some of those to some homeless or otherwise needy individuals (not the drug addicts of course) that could go and cash em in after a quick explanation of their worth and where they need to be taken for sale.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 1:46:11

estebanana

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

Actually Bansky copied another guy who already did that in front of the Whitney Museum of Art.

Bansky is a kind s like a conceptual grifter, but his only stock in trade is that he's vapid. And he sells that as the grift. It's ironic, but he hit on the tail end of the ironic as a gimmick or play in art.

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Ring ring, 2005 calling:

Hello this is Bansky,

Hi Bansky , this is the year 2005, were calling to let you know your 15 minutes are up.

Bansky: But, but I...

2005: No buts Banster, you've over extended your one trick pony and now were mucking out the stalls.

Bansky: 2005! What an insult! How dare you tell me I'm done.

2005: Fact are facts Banster, you never reinvented yourself and you're dragging out those tired old saggy tits whenever you can get some new guys to gawk at your side walk peep show.

Bansky: Screw you 2005, they made a movie about me, that makes me impotent, I mean important.

2005: Uh, um yeah, they made a movie about the Beatles called Yellow Submarine, but that does not mean John Lennon lives in an octopussies garden anymore. You see Banster, you're not a great artist, you're second hand hack, with an art school gimmick that you never lost. You've never done anything with any substantive content, you're all about simple conceptual plys based around your ego. Fact is you can't even cut a good stencil. Did you hear me? Huh Bansky, you can't even cut a good fukcing stencil and you want more than 15 minutes? Greedy bastard.

Bansky: Two Zero Zero Five! You are the most insolent year on the Gregorian Calendar -I hate- I hate you -I hate you.

Jewish year 5774 calling, Hey 2005 what shaking baby?

2005: Sup 5774? Bansky thinks he's got some game, but I'm putting my foot down.

5774: Really, you're kidding he's still at it? Stop, you're killing me over here. I have not seen any acts that repeat them selves over and over since I worked in that summer camp in the Catskills.

2005: Yeah tell me about it.

Ring ring: Heisei 25 year calling, herro, herro? herro anybody here?

2005: Konnichiwa Heisei, how is the Emperor these days?

Heisei 25: Emperor fine, worried much about Bansky.

5774: Oi vay, the Emperor is upset about this?

Heisei 25, Oh not so mush, I am worried over Bansky personnary. He is reminding me of Tea Party in USA.

2005: How so Heisei?

Heisei 25: Oh Bansky try to pull wool over eyes of public, in Japan we say yank someones crank. Like Tea Party, they know nothing about real tea so why they call themself Tea Party? They not even fun at having party.

5774: Yeah the Tea Party is about as much fun as a blind mohel in a nursery school.

Heisei 25: Ha ha 5774 you make good joke. We used to have many knife jokes, but samurai cut off head, not able to laugh. HA HA that was a joke.

2005: Very interesting Heisei you draw a comparison between the American Tea Party and Bansky. I suppose it is an apt comparison. One calls it self Tea, but does not know how come together to meet others at the party, and Banstud hangs out all by himself wagging his painted weenie on the street corner.

Heisei 25: ha ha ha 2005 you are very funky year and funky thinkier. I think samurai not cut your head off. ah ah that was joking again.

5774: Well what are going to so with Banstud? Throw him a bris?

Heisei 25: What is this Bris, some kind of fish cake? or fried squid rings?

2005: No Heisei bris is not fish cake or noodles. Bris is a.....all samurai party Jewish style, only leave your own salami at home. HA ha that was a joke 5774. get it?

5774: Oh gee 2005 you're getting as obvious as Banturd. Ok let's say we just ignore him? Maybe like a gassy fart he'll just blow way soon.

Heisei 25, Oh I know most honorable fart joke about emperor. But cannot tell in publick or get head cut off by samurai. haha Stupid American always fall for it. Am I yanking your crank? leave salami at home....see I understand joke about bris.

2005: I think we are waiting for Bansky to go.

5774: You mean waiting for Godot to go?

Heisei 25, Ha ha I go back to Osaka to Russian dancing girl lover and make the beckett of it.

5774: What were we talking about anyway?

2005: Thumbnails and Super Glue?

5774: Gefiltefish.

2005: Gesundheit!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 5:03:23

Leñador

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

LOL Thank you Bananason! He may be a nice guy or whatever but his "art" is so uninspired. Gimmicky is the best word, only thing worse is all the Banksy copycats.....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 5:27:03

estebanana

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Leñador)

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Banksy copycats.....

* Picard facepalm*

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 6:00:06

Ruphus

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

Shame on him!
Ignoring the one relevance for todays avantgarde: A to-date unconventional whatever. Be that dripping on canvas, drilling a hole into the ground, bending some rusty wire, painting a house with pink dalmatiner pattern, wrapping landscapes into synthetic cloth, laying butchery product into formaldehyd, painting with blood or other excretions, and so on with brilliancy.

How lame of Banksy that he didn´t introduce the innnovation of using ketchup instead of paint, or finalizing the art with pee. Or at the very least standing on a balancing rope while spraying his stuff.

For such a dull figure we will not acknowledge even how he deflates the actual artistry of inflating artistic inability.

On the stake with him!
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Ricardo,

Once again you mix up aspects.
This was not about readiness to give.
It was about the character it takes to illuminate an art lottery even though it wants to flatter you / even though you could accept and just put on the emperor´s new clothes. Deem yourself laurel.

And besides, boozing homeless are just as needy as pious or abstinent ones.

Only don´t let life flush you to the dark side sometime, for you to experience the disgusting split of hypocrite and moralizing donors.

Either you empathize with the suffering or you don´t.
As long as one can afford the discriminating take of view however, there is no empathizing, but a posing of oneself as just.

Didn´t they tell you?
Though who feel impeccable may throw the first bottle.

( Accidentally I just had a bottle smashed against my wall days ago. It was donated by minds who feel too devout and immaculate to just stand how there are unholy dogs sleeping in my yard.)

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 11:05:31

estebanana

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

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Shame on him!
Ignoring the one relevance for todays avantgarde: A to-date unconventional whatever. Be that dripping on canvas, drilling a hole into the ground, bending some rusty wire, painting a house with pink dalmatiner pattern, wrapping landscapes into synthetic cloth, laying butchery product into formaldehyd, painting with blood or other excretions, and so on with brilliancy.

How lame of Banksy that he didn´t introduce the innnovation of using ketchup instead of paint, or finalizing the art with pee. Or at the very least standing on a balancing rope while spraying his stuff.

For such a dull figure we will not acknowledge even how he deflates the actual artistry of inflating artistic inability.

On the stake with him!
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This is close to being the most cogent thing you have ever written. However it disturbs me you flip flopped on your estimation of modern art. I am as confused as ever with your motives.

Six months ago you swore on a stack of bibles that nothing good had been wrought in art since the French Academy; You argued contemporary art was bereft of care, choice, or merit on any human level. Now you champion a lackluster practitioner, who'll never be more than side note of a foot note in art history. And he makes stencils, very bad stencils.

I'm dizzy with your flip flopping sir.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 12:45:52

guitarbuddha

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

....disturbs me you flip flopped on your estimation of modern art. I am as confused as ever with your motives.

Now you champion a lackluster practitioner, who'll never be more than side note of a foot note in art history. And he makes stencils, very bad stencils.

I'm dizzy with your flip flopping sir.

Do you suspect a commercial motive to this flipflopping then Stephen ?

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 13:46:57

estebanana

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

I'd actually like to talk about art, but someone gets all butthurt if you disagree with them. Flip flopping seems to be more about being adversarial than actually being interested in a back and forth dialog.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 13:50:43

estebanana

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

I always liked Chris Burdens pieces where he used models.

http://66.195.106.23/teacherpackets/teachingpackets/tp/fastforward/Zoom/burden.swf

Also Enku: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2013/01/31/arts/seeing-the-wood-for-enkus-buddhas/#.Ul6ngiQ1cnU

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 14:40:54

Ruphus

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

I can disentangle that, Stephen.

I was not meaning to advocat Banksy´s production. Eventhough probably capable of some capturing skills his images quite look to me as if either projected or stencilled from ideals ( now that I had to look up the term for stencil, I also see what you mean. Totally agreed!)

That is why me typed in the threads headline how I like the character ( not specially his work).

My aim was at his commercial behaviour.
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Also I do not diss all modern producers. Remember how I liked that portrait with Jean Reno as motive that you displayed? That was absolutely vivid and admirable craft, whether modern or not.

It is not that I clinged to Caravaggio & co, as the last artists. ( Lesser even with flimsy hands commonly drawn in his epoche. A pity to my eyes.)

Only that I despise cynical marketery of works on chimp and random level, while in the same time deserving creators being stuck in moldy basements. - Some of whom I used to know myself. ... And besides one work that I still regret to have not bought ( at the meagre budget I had).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 14:56:51

Leñador

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

Banksys "art" looks like a high school class project......

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2013 18:33:06

Ricardo

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

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Once again you mix up aspects.

Don't think so. It's about an ego driven artist promoting himself once again. And about homeless, I meant that some can make better use of a hand out than others and a quick interview makes it obvious.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 17 2013 6:25:37

Ruphus

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

It's about an ego driven artist promoting himself once again.

I would had thought an ego driven personality would had rather dressed that lofty image of a fashionable pseudo artist like Gerhard Richter-alikes do and cash in big time as elitist, instead of graffiting all over NYC or selling his stuff unannounced for cheap.
For his ego he certainly could be doing much better than in such a way.

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

I meant that some can make better use of a hand out than others and a quick interview makes it obvious.

Agreed in that respect.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 17 2013 9:51:02

mark indigo

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

It's weird for me to read this discussion of Banksy. When I lived in Bristol we had a "Banksy" on the wall at the end of the street, many other smaller ones on the streets around about (Easton, Montpellier, St. Pauls), and that big "Mild, Mild West" one in Stoke's Croft on the way into the city centre.

I always thought they stood out for being clever and witty and often funny compared to the other graffiti around the place.

It's kinda odd now his stuff is in glossy coffee table books and posters but good luck to him I say.

I thought the point of the stall was not to give stuff away or sell it off cheap, but but just to see what would happen.... and to question what the difference is between a big gallery/auction house art sale, and a stall in the street, what the difference is between an "original" and a "reproduction".

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 17 2013 13:07:16

Ricardo

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ruphus)

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For his ego he certainly could be doing much better than in such a way.

I restate, it would have been a different story had he let word hit the street and continue his bold move for another day or two. The playing it safe hit and run teasing thing reads to me as super ego self promotion. "Hardy har, my work is so important that I can just sell it cheap to unknowing fools to prove a point about art it makes me such a better artist than others bla bla....", sicking.

Now HERE is some artisic inspiration:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 17 2013 14:03:06

Ruphus

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RE: An Artist Character to My Person... (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

... it would have been a different story had he let word hit the street and continue his bold move for another day or two. The playing it safe hit and run teasing thing reads to me as super ego self promotion. "Hardy har, my work is so important that I can just sell it cheap to unknowing fools to prove a point about art it makes me such a better artist than others bla bla....", sicking.

hmm ... obviously, one way of looking at it.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 17 2013 14:58:17