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guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Lenador

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Epigenetic effects although separate from evolutionary developments are often expressed at a remove of one or two generations. Here is a link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

I don't know if it's a case of Epigenetics, maybe her parents we're genitically meant to be taller but were not able to reach that potential during development due to malnutrition or stress. Something like rickets.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickets

Did they have vitamin D deficiency ?

In general if they were tan for a portion of the year you can rule that out.

In Scotland pretty common with people with dark skin. In areas with plentiful sunlight less so. I have a friend who is mixed race and was recently diagnosed with MS with which a link has been found with vitamin D deficiency (when your skin is very dark there is a higher demand for sunlight as there is more melanin in the way of the light which makes it more difficult to stimulate the production of the vitamin).

D.

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Leñador

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

LOL I'm not saying rickets exactly. But doesn't being raised with malnutrition cause physical problems to your development????

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Lenador

LOL I'm not saying rickets exactly. But doesn't being raised with malnutrition cause physical problems to your development????

Yes of course.

But there actually should be a dialogue with your environment. The epigenetic mechanisms have been found quite recently and they are part of that dialogue.

Put it this way the larger a person is then the greater the amount of food needed to feed them. Smaller bodies are an efficient way of avoiding malnutrition.

I am six foot on the nail. Would I be a better person if I were six three (is such a thing even possible

)? Would I be likely to live longer, suffer less back pain, necessitate the grazing of fewer cattle over a lifetime ?

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 2 2013 22:44:09

guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

um, sugar is good for you. So is fat. Good for your BRAINS. Carbs are essential. Lord, just do some exercise and you all will be fine.

The problem is look outside. No kids playing. THey are inside sucking on sweets fats and carbs playing video games...nice formula for diabetes etc.

The second half I can agree with wholeheartedly.

The first is somewhat incomplete. Our bodies evolved in a time when we did not have plentiful access to salt fat and sugar. And since they are such desirable commodities to the human body in small quantities then it was natural and healthy that when we find them we gorge on them.

Whenever you have large amounts of sugar your body uses that energy for the moment and endeavours to store the rest of the food you eat as fat. Again perfectly sensible in the paleolithic period.

But when you combine sugar with meals of meat and complex carbs you give your body very strong signals to put produce fat. And your body will ALWAYS want more.

So you need to be sensible and use some lateral thinking. Eat something sweet for sheer joy but separated from the savoury part of the meal by an hour or two. Don't eat sweet when you are hungry.

Avoid meals which introduce sugar to savoury except for special occasions. Never have soda with a meal.

I weighed more when I was sixteen than I do now. It took a long time to shake off the eating habits of my childhood.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 2 2013 23:03:06

Ricardo

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

The REAL concpiracy is this "organic" food craze going on. My wife comes home with spending hundreds of dollars on this crap and I am like "What the hell is wrong with the normal cheap stuff???"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 3 2013 16:52:12

guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to Ricardo)

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The REAL concpiracy is this "organic" food craze going on. My wife comes home with spending hundreds of dollars on this crap and I am like "What the hell is wrong with the normal cheap stuff???"

At last !! Another conspiracy I can wholeheartedly disagree with.

Better to eat a kilo of frozen veg than an unripened avocado.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 3 2013 20:55:40

BarkellWH

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

What I love to remind my friends who are "organic" food snobs willing to pay 30 percent higher prices, is that in 2012 in the US there was an outbreak of E-Coli. Investigations traced it to spinach that was--you guessed it--grown on an "organic" spinach farm.

Cheers,

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 3 2013 21:09:47

guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to BarkellWH)

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What I love to remind my friends who are "organic" food snobs willing to pay 30 percent higher prices,

Cheers,

Bill

Yup the point is consumer oneupmanship. Nothing to do with a genuine understanding of health.

'Buy organic...... because you're worth'

YUK, because you're worth it, the patent cry of the snakeoil salesman.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 3 2013 21:18:13

Leñador

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Don't forget the gluten free craze! lol

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 3 2013 21:22:38

guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to Leñador)

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Don't forget the gluten free craze! lol

What do you mean.

I might have Celiac disease.......I've got symptoms errr.. you know sometimes I get tired and em feel sick after eating pizza.... and um after drinking wheat bear I like fart a lot and get a sore head.

Are you saying I'm not worth it ??????

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 3 2013 21:41:39

n85ae

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Organic food is marketing. What makes food "organic" is a "technical specification",
typically this "technical specification" means less of something that was originally
implemented to solve a problem with mass distribution.

The concept, of sunshine over heavenly fields, of pristine crops is a myth. Real
organic food comes from a John Deere, driven by a guy saying - "You mean if I
drop this pesticide, and call it organic I can increase revenue by 15% ?" That's
where "organic" food comes from, unless you grow it yourself.

Even then you'll find the neighborhood ignoramuses who are "composting" leaves
which they have raked from all across their yard, thus concentrating all the
pollutants into a pile (leaves are an excellent collector of pollutants) . Which
they then use to feed their "heavy metal homegrown organic food". That they
then will consume thinking they have gotten back to nature. No now they are
eating less healthy than what the original mass mega farm was making with
nice clean granular nitrogen fertilizer.

Now if you go back to the time before there was ANY human intervention, and
food was just grown all naturally, and hunted - Well you would not have wanted
eat a lot of that anyways. That is unless you're digestive system was on par
with that of the family dog.

You are much better off to eat Hot Dogs, and Twinkies. Organic is BS. Give me
some more sugar for my coffee, and a diet coke for lunch.

Jeff

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 14:28:15

guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to n85ae)

I can get down with most of that Jeff.

And what is a musicians life worth if not regularly punctuated with sweetened coffee ?

But Coca Cola with a savoury meal is gut wrenching. But I do enjoy the odd tablespoon of jam or ,better still, honey on my bread. Just don't expect me top it off with a meat pate and serve it with fat drenched toothpicks.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 15:12:50

n85ae

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

What's wrong with fat drenched toothpicks?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 15:36:15

guitarbuddha

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to n85ae)

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What's wrong with fat drenched toothpicks?

As part of a healthy and balanced diet nothing at all. Same as earwax and fresh excrement.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 15:56:25

Leñador

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

You guys have fat drenched toothpicks over there?????
I feel ripped off.....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 16:37:31

n85ae

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Actually I think David is in the UK, so it's unique to his locale. Typically where I am
(Chicago USA) we would wrap an item in bacon, then deep fry it in lard.

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As part of a healthy and balanced diet nothing at all. Same as earwax and fresh excrement.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 16:53:07

BarkellWH

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to n85ae)

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Typically where I am (Chicago USA) we would wrap an item in bacon, then deep fry it in lard.

I don't know about that, but I love sizzling, crisp bacon in the morning with eggs. In my opinion, there are two gifts the gods have truly graced mankind with: sizzling, crispy bacon (whose lovely smell anticipates the exquisite taste to come); and sherry (from Manzanilla and Fino Muy Seco to Amontillado Medium Dry) which I consider the Nectar of the Gods. They make life truly worth living.

Cheers,

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 17:08:18

n85ae

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RE: Sugar in Bread. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

Can't argue with that.

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I don't know about that, but I love sizzling, crisp bacon in the morning with eggs. In my opinion, there are two gifts the gods have truly graced mankind with: sizzling, crispy bacon (whose lovely smell anticipates the exquisite taste to come); and sherry (from Manzanilla and Fino Muy Seco to Amontillado Medium Dry) which I consider the Nectar of the Gods. They make life truly worth living.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2013 17:15:51