Conde Hermanos 1986

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athrane77

Posts: 785
Joined: Feb. 6 2011
From: Reykjavik

Conde Hermanos 1986

According to that thread:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=240619&appid=11&p=&mpage=1&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#240671
If someone can help me, please post in this thread.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2013 12:22:07

Posts: 225
Joined: Mar. 1 2011

RE: Conde Hermanos 1986 (in reply to athrane77)

Did those crazy luthiers kick you out?

They're sick and tired of sweating bullets and we bumble in about factory planks.

I love reading their section. It's like reading letters from great artists. But being actual artists, we won't be falling into their lair until they're all dead and they were too drunk one day and pasted in the wrong labels.

I don't want a Faulk. I want an unsigned copy made in China, after he's too dead to care.

I want a Ray a Faulk and a ton of others here. And I want Tom Blackshear to fine tune them while the luthiers are tied up and made to watch.

Seriously, I thought you already got all the answers one might expect before they booted you. Why not just get someone to forge The Signature?

Please don't get me wrong. This is a good thread. Some people (many luthiers and the few dealers who have graced this forum with forensic anayses - using only fuzzy pics and chat as clues) here have recorded astonishing, and seriously valuable information. They're the people the Antiques Roadshow consult; if they have sense.

I think the dealers may have been driven off because they mark up guitars. It makes no sense.

What is the Signature of a guitar? Get Tom to forge the sound for a grand (he's a Reyes dude tho) then get yer phone out and forge the signature.

I've already bought two guitars on the internet without ever touching an example of either.

Get the signature done, mark it up, get it past a dealer of my choice. Let him mark it up. Then I'll buy it and cherish it and never sell it.

There is something about factory guitars (well-run factories) that I like.

Luthery seems to be the hardest business in the world. But your grandchildren get to make out like bandits, maybe.

Just some random thoughts while bored on a train.

(The iphone suggestion meant sending the right shape of ink, digitally. You would need a proper forger, like maybe Donald Pleasance before be went blind, to get it past this crowd.)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2013 13:15:55

athrane77

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Joined: Feb. 6 2011
From: Reykjavik

RE: Conde Hermanos 1986 (in reply to athrane77)

I don't care if the guitar is signed or not. It's a good guitar, but I need to be sure that I get the money back without making lose once I have to sell it.
Once again, thats exactly the label (with 1986 of course)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2013 13:32:14

keith

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Joined: Sep. 29 2009
From: Back in Boston

RE: Conde Hermanos 1986 (in reply to athrane77)

jof,you may not care if the guitar is signed or not but future buyers might and having an unsigned label may negatively affect the price--your posts suggest that sometime down the road you intend to flip the guitar. i believe one of the posters in the luthier section mentioned the condes back then may not have been signed. check out some on-line sellers to find out what the conde standard operating procedures were back in the day.

as you know getting one's money back on anything is asking a lot and most folks do not get what they paid for when they sell. additionally, there are variables such as future wear and tear, misfortunes, and market conditions that will negatively affect the resale value. the guitar may develop a crack or you may lose your job and try to sell it in a bad economy (ask anyone who put up a guitar between 2008-2012) and those variables will negatively affect whatever price you ask.

again, it is asking a lot to think one will get what they paid for. unless there is something other than the guitar itself that will bump up the value it is likely the value will decrease. buy a new car, drive it off the lot and one block away and the value of the car decreases--just a fact of life.

as to whether or not the guitar is worth the asking price? hard to say on that one. you might want to check out some web dealers and see what condes are going for. just remember the dealers usually get a chunk of the price. maybe20-25% of the price?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2013 14:09:41

Erik van Goch

Posts: 1787
Joined: Jul. 17 2012
From: Netherlands

RE: Conde Hermanos 1986 (in reply to athrane77)

On an auction a fake "signed" Rembrandt once raised more money then an unsigned real one. If the signature makes so much difference that's the first thing a poster is going to add/fake. If there is so much difference between a "real" Conde and a "fake" one the real one should be signed all over the place (an expression meaning every detail points in the direction of a certain maker). Fact is my Conde can sound excellent one day and crap on an other day.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2013 22:49:44

Xavi

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Joined: Jul. 10 2012

RE: Conde Hermanos 1986 (in reply to athrane77)

Hi Jof, no signature will affect resale value. As a result, make sure you negotiate and don't be afraid to walk away if you can't get a great price.

There are great (signed) Condes to be had that will meet your stated criterion (namely, not losing money on re-sale).

Good luck.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 31 2013 3:08:56