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People confuse speed and flash with "technique". Malmsteen is fast and sometimes very expressive, yet he rushes the compas all the time to the point it is annoying. Perhaps to unschooled listeners it sounds either like "too many notes" or is simply amazing. Beck always controls the time in a way it feels like he has more knowledge and technique and schooling. Malmsteen sounds un schooled and crazy at times, even when he (and especially when) he attempts to interpret Bach or Paganini... always hap hazard and rushing tempo. Speed is not always technique...but controlling rhythm is.

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People talk about Moraito music as if it is "easier" or requires LESS technique than others. Ok then please reproduce it? Moraito has a technique and control up there with the rest of the maestros, with an added dimension to it in certain aspects of "soniquete" expression. It is not simply that he is from jerez and "feels" it a certain way, but more importantly that he has a physical and technical ABILITY to produce that "sound" which was many years in the making. Many many hours of repeating the same phrasing until it is natural as speaking or walking. THAT is high technique IMO. People who play music and make it somehow SOUND difficult to play rather than natural and flowing, are actually LACKING in technique skills, yet inevitably get labeled as "technical players".

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo


To examine your description, I consider a "movement" and "perfectly placed note"...directly related to TECHNIQUE and TIMING. Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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A single movement, or a perfectly placed note, can create an emotional response in an audience that trumps better technique.

You should probably know me by now, I don't prescribe to the bogus "feel vs chops" critique.

To examine your description, I consider a "movement" and "perfectly placed note"...directly related to TECHNIQUE and TIMING. As to your other statement, I feel that the person with the BETTER COMPAS is always clearly the more advanced performer. I for one see right through the charismatic "expressive" artist that is trying to cover their limitations with certain shiny objects. Farruco's 'pose" is all technical, to the point it is a natural expression. Try to copy or do better and you confront your own technical limitations, plain and simple. Carpeta a perfect example. What could that baby possibly know about life love and pain such that he can express so well with dance better than anyone of us???

People confuse speed and flash with "technique". Malmsteen is fast and sometimes very expressive, yet he rushes the compas all the time to the point it is annoying. Perhaps to unschooled listeners it sounds either like "too many notes" or is simply amazing. Beck always controls the time in a way it feels like he has more knowledge and technique and schooling. Malmsteen sounds un schooled and crazy at times, even when he (and especially when) he attempts to interpret Bach or Paganini... always hap hazard and rushing tempo. Speed is not always technique...but controlling rhythm is.

People talk about Moraito music as if it is "easier" or requires LESS technique than others. Ok then please reproduce it? Moraito has a technique and control up there with the rest of the maestros, with an added dimension to it in certain aspects of "soniquete" expression. It is not simply that he is from jerez and "feels" it a certain way, but more importantly that he has a physical and technical ABILITY to produce that "sound" which was many years in the making. Many many hours of repeating the same phrasing until it is natural as speaking or walking. THAT is high technique IMO. People who play music and make it somehow SOUND difficult to play rather than natural and flowing, are actually LACKING in technique skills, yet inevitably get labeled as "technical players".

Ricardo

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but in the eyes of the two guys who favored her performance, who knows?

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I often close my eyes at concerts.

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looking cool when you play can be more important than the sounds you make

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People talk about Moraito music as if it is "easier" or requires LESS technique than others. Ok then please reproduce it? Moraito has a technique and control up there with the rest of the maestros, with an added dimension to it in certain aspects of "soniquete" expression. It is not simply that he is from jerez and "feels" it a certain way, but more importantly that he has a physical and technical ABILITY to produce that "sound" which was many years in the making. Many many hours of repeating the same phrasing until it is natural as speaking or walking. THAT is high technique IMO. People who play music and make it somehow SOUND difficult to play rather than natural and flowing, are actually LACKING in technique skills, yet inevitably get labeled as "technical players".

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I'm gunna be a total d*ck here and just say the opinion of those who aren't educated on something is of less value then that of someone who is. Even in art.

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ORIGINAL: Grisha

Majority of today's audience expect a show, not a concert. People who go to classical performances in the states are well over half-century old. Most young people with TV commercial-inspired 2 second attention span don't enjoy music that requires you to follow lines for more than a few measures. With the musical education doing such a good job nowadays you can't expect them to understand a thing they hear. Today's pop music with endless autotuned vocal melismas in place of melodies and dumb heavy 4/4 beat has completely destroyed musical taste in millions. And then there is MTV... What are they supposed to do when they are faced with a serious instrumental piece? Look at the performer for clues. "Let the music speak for itself" is sooo last century. So for the majority, of course sight is more important.

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Majority of today's audience expects a show, not a concert.

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ORIGINAL: Kalo

Well, as gloomy as this all sounds, one thing I still believe in is that TRUE ART will will always survive!

Many of today's listeners may be hyponitized to all the pop music, autotune, lipsyncing performance/artist, but, there are many who want and still search for REAL music and real performance!

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The Beatles, Britney.......

Britney has I feel progressed as a musician and composer in the last ten years in ways which her early promise could not possibly have indicated.

In contrast the failure of The Beatles to grow artistically between early Little Richard inspired tracks like Twist and Shout and the virtualy indistinguishable material of later albums, like Sgt. Peppers, shows only too clearly that modern production easthetics and the celebrity culture have enhanced the genre of pop music immeasurably.

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Stay out the argument, and avoid looking stupid. LOL

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ORIGINAL: ralexander


Sage advice, Todd

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I used to play for an older female dancer, and she was pretty skilled. A friend of mine got a gig and he hired a younger dancer who was extremely attractive. His friends, who were not afficianados, ended up seeing both dancers on different nights and told my buddy how much more they liked the younger one.

I thought at the time how lame that was. But years later, I realized that their thinking was maybe not as screwy as I had thought. In terms of entertainment value, perhaps the incredibly beautiful girl , who moved well, had some serious appeal even though her footwork was not in the same class as the other dancer. Not being flamencos, maybe they couldn't tell exactly how much more experience and technique the older lady had, or if they could, it was not enough to offset the difference in looks. I mean, one look, or move, from that hot girl could have made the difference. Does that make them stupid? Or simply honest in what they found entertaining?

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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

The Beatles, Britney.......

Britney has I feel progressed as a musician and composer in the last ten years in ways which her early promise could not possibly have indicated.

In contrast the failure of The Beatles to grow artistically between early Little Richard inspired tracks like Twist and Shout and the virtualy indistinguishable material of later albums, like Sgt. Peppers, shows only too clearly that modern production easthetics and the celebrity culture have enhanced the genre of pop music immeasurably.


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Did anyone here know Pedro Bacan? He grunted vocally along with the music when he played. Some musicians do that. Glenn Gould did it in the recording studio and drove his sound engineers nuts as they tried to subtract his vocalisations from the recordings.