RE: Elliot Fisk

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gerundino63

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Grisha)

Thanks Grisha,

Very nice video never heard his name before.I
Impressive music, very stainge to hear two guitars.......

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to kikkoman)

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ORIGINAL: kikkoman

i have still yet to hear it played with more aplomb and adventure than kazuhito yamashitas version.

In his hands the beginning does indeed sound a bit like a theme that could be used for a japanese martial art film :-)

Something like the main theme of the water margin (starting after apr. 19 seconds).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 12:43:08

Elie

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

never heard of Elliot

but that Caballero is amazing

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 12:49:30

guitarbuddha

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Erik van Goch)

Hey Eric, I thought it was just me that found film music/pastiche fascinating.

Russian school, Elmer Bernstien, Aaron Copeland,John Barry and Henry Mancini and that's just the first twenty seconds.

That Yamashita is truly incredible. Amazing integrity of line given the unbelievably dense arrangement. What an arranger ! And such strength and colour. We are lucky to have him.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 13:34:40

guitarbuddha

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Grisha)

Caballero is a hell of a guitarist for sure. But am I the only one that got frustrated with every entry being at exactly the same dynamic and with the same intent as the previous one ?

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 13:39:07

aeolus

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

For lovers of Eliot. In the first, BWV 999 he does the same crazy maneuver he did in his Segovia style tape made years ago, making a great leap from the upper register to the lowest and back. Really distracting.

For comparison (invidious?) Segovia at his prime playing the first 2 pieces. Interesting in BWV 999 at measures 31/34 he plays at pos 7 then drops down for last 4 notes in each measure. Eliot plays the same in the lower pos and uses a hammer-on for the d. I have been trying out playing it in pos 7 and remaining there playing the last 4 notes on strings 5 and 6. . I like that better than the hammer-ons.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 16:19:54

kikkoman

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to guitarbuddha)

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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

Hey Eric, I thought it was just me that found film music/pastiche fascinating.

Russian school, Elmer Bernstien, Aaron Copeland,John Barry and Henry Mancini and that's just the first twenty seconds.

That Yamashita is truly incredible. Amazing integrity of line given the unbelievably dense arrangement. What an arranger ! And such strength and colour. We are lucky to have him.

D.

From the same concert

even more amazing considering the especially difficult chords he was using was that he used one of those old school ramirez guitars with the 665 mm scale length and 100000 inches of action

Yamashita has a great set of arrangements but some of them were clearly reaching a bit too far. he transcribed a stravinsky symphony to the guitar and it was a little bit too much for me.

He has since not done so much of these arrangements and has been playing much pieces by local japanese composers.

i think he plays most composers exceptionally well except for bach. i really really don't like his bach interpretations.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 17:07:53

Ricardo

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to guitarbuddha)

ARRRRGGRRRRRR!!!!

Sorry for random post...rather than comment I just needed some hardcore buleria arps after reading through this thread.

Ok I am fine now, carry on sorry.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 19:40:32

Grisha

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

It's time for the cooking recipes then.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 20:09:33

pink

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to kikkoman)

Makes your b.o.l.l.o.c.k.s. swell and want to reproduce the essence of mankind!!
Now I'm no expert, but I know what gives my ear the itch that makes me realise how human I am...good fekkin grief, how fantastic.!!!
Best

pink

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 20:20:00

guitarbuddha

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to kikkoman)

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ORIGINAL: kikkoman

i think he plays most composers exceptionally well except for bach. i really really don't like his bach interpretations.

I agree completely !

I bought some of his Bach transcriptions and they were terrible, too often the fingering was completely against the grain of the motifs.

And yet he is such a marvelous arranger, WEIRD. I had a recording of him playing the Invocacion Y Danza and the Moupou Suite Compostelana. The Rodrigo was incredible and the Mompou awful.

When he gets it he gets it in spades and when he doesn't he really doesn't. I find it completely baffling.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 20:54:58

guitarbuddha

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Grisha)

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ORIGINAL: Grisha

It's time for the cooking recipes then.

Come on Grisha keep up !!!!

We've had three gravy recipes already.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 20:56:26

BarkellWH

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to guitarbuddha)

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We've had three gravy recipes already.

But none utilized lard.

Cheers,

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 21:11:13

keith

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Grisha)

how about a good boston dinner--boil some water, toss in the lobster, nuke the corn on the cob and down it all with sam adams beer.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 10 2013 21:21:11

Luka

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Ricardo)

I remember, years ago you sent me this video and I just couldn't believe it.... Gerardo is unreal. We are often obsessed with the right hand but his left is unbelievable as well.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 10:42:20

orsonw

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bulerias arpeggio (in reply to Ricardo)

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buleria arps

You may enjoy some of this.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 11:51:49

mark indigo

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Ricardo)

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Sorry for random post...

well it is in the general flamenco section... was gonna suggest all this classical guff is off topic

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 16:29:02

aeolus

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

More classical guff...but then this is a thread about Fisk.

Eliot and Marco Tamayo burn on a Rodrigo concerto. Marco sadly now brought low by brain cancer. Eliot shows some impressive speed in runs and some flamboyant gestures.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 19:46:55

Ricardo

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to aeolus)

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burn on a Rodrigo concerto.

burn off tempo...

This is what playing in time with rhythmic feeling is supposed to sound like:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 20:15:59

aeolus

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

Yeah, they really should have gotten some flamencos to play it. They are so good at counting.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 20:25:11

Ricardo

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to aeolus)

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

Yeah, they really should have gotten some flamencos to play it. They are so good at counting.

sure, but they are too busy COMPOSING their own music.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 20:29:37

aeolus

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

Sanlucar aside, with all due respect, flamenco compositions are not considered at the leading edge of the musical world.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 20:50:11

por medio

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to aeolus)

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Sanlucar aside, with all due respect, flamenco compositions are not considered at the leading edge of the musical world.

Personal agendas. Yawn.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 21:59:58

guitarbuddha

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to por medio)

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ORIGINAL: por medio

quote:

Sanlucar aside, with all due respect, flamenco compositions are not considered at the leading edge of the musical world.

Personal agendas. Yawn.

And so so boring. I am sorry I started this thread.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 22:36:16

aeolus

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

Yeah, it's the blue smoke and mirrors aspect that I like.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 22:54:43

Leñador

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to gerundino63)

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Sanlucar aside, with all due respect, flamenco compositions are not considered at the leading edge of the musical world.

Because 80 year old men know what's on the cutting edge of music

rofl

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 11 2013 23:16:18

Ricardo

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to aeolus)

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

Sanlucar aside, with all due respect, flamenco compositions are not considered at the leading edge of the musical world.

Yes they are.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 12 2013 9:03:19

JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to Ricardo)

Ricardo, I hadn't watched that Sanlucar performance is ages. What an absolutely incredible performance. Thanks for reminding me of that one. Awesome!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 12 2013 10:40:21

mark indigo

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RE: Elliot Fisk (in reply to aeolus)

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More classical guff...but then this is a thread about Fisk.

but then this is a flamenco forum, and the thread is in the general flamenco section - nothing to do with flamenco - off topic

a thread about Fisk is about as relevant to flamenco as this

and they play in time...