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Ramon Amira

 

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What tempo does flamenco tremolo sou... 
The classical three treble note tremolo starts to sounds continuous at about 140 BPM. So I calculated that the flamenco four treble note tremolo should start to sound continuous at three quarters of that speed, meaning about 105 BPM.

A while back I asked one of my students, with a PhD in Computer Science, about it, and he said it’s more complicated than it seems at first glance. I think maybe it’s because you have to factor in P as well.

I was thinking it’s the difference between three and four, when maybe the real difference is between four and five.

I’ll ask him again, but does anyone have a definitive answer – all things being equal.

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RE: What tempo does flamenco tremolo... (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
Paco Serrano has an interesting slow speed tremolo counted p12341234, p12341234 etc
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RE: What tempo does flamenco tremolo... (in reply to Guest) 
quote:

Refer to PDL's Fuente Y Caudal as a good example even though the name, at times, contradicts its execution.

Funny you mention that Lionel. For me, the name of that Taranta and its tremolo fit perfectly because a river flow is always varying along its path.
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RE: What tempo does flamenco tremolo... (in reply to Guest) 
I was just listening to Paco's tremolo the other day. There was nothing about it that sounded continuous, it was more like a sort of ornament. I wish I remember the track.

I think flamenco tremolo in general can be played slowly and still work as an effect. Perhaps it's because of the unusual 5 notes per beat configuration. I also think guitarists hear tremolo differently than non-musicians. It takes quite an effort for me to hear it as a sustained sound.

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RE: What tempo does flamenco tremolo... (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
I have always heard that its the regularity of the tremolo that makes it sound continuous not the speed. Speed is relative if its so fast that it losses the note individuality its not a effective tremolo. A good example is Paco's picado, blazing fast but you hear each individual note like a bell. Too many people are caught up in speed and loose the continuity or the symmetry of the notes. if that makes sense.
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RE: What tempo does flamenco tremolo... (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
actually some of paco's scales are so fast that a note here or there doesnt resonate at all even though it can be perceived. far from ineffective it is completely badass
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RE: What tempo does flamenco tremolo... (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
tremolos are not 105 BPM,there are much example of tremolos in bulerias por solea or alegrias more fast than that tempo
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