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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 12 2003 20:44:55

Phil

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From: Rota, Spain

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Andy, thanks for the link. A good website, it lets you thumb through the books and lets you here sound samples. It looks like a very good comprehensive method and the price is very reasonable, both volumes w/CD cost about $50.00.
Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 12 2003 22:39:05

Patrick

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From: Portland, Oregon

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Andy,

I can't find any one in the US that carries volume II. Any help?

I have the Rumba CD Rom coming. The demo looks really cool.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 12 2003 22:42:44

Thomas Whiteley

Posts: 786
Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Patrick)

Pat;

Can Portland Music get it for you? I think they are still around. I have a few stories about them which are good, which date back to the 1960's.

Schott Music Corporation
c/o Warner Bros. Publications US Inc.
P.O.B. 4340
15800 NW 48th Avenue
Miami 33014
Tel.: (+1) 305-521-1604
Fax: (+1) 305-521-1638
Email eamdc@eamdc.com

I have bought music from them for decades for piano. If you have a problem let me know as two of my friends own the largest music literature store in Northern California. I think our family owns half the literature published for piano, guitar, flute and other instruments.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 12 2003 22:54:25

Patrick

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From: Portland, Oregon

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Tom,

I'll see what I come up with. All I ever see is volume I.

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 12 2003 23:03:47

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 13 2003 17:22:12

Jim Opfer

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Joined: Jul. 19 2003
From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Andy,
Interesting find, I was pondering the Conde image and it looks like a computer generated drawing, notice the thick ebony at the 1st fret.
Who would go to the lengths of drawing a Conde when a good ol' photo does the job!
Cheers
Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2003 10:06:48

Patrick

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Portland, Oregon

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Here’s some fun stuff buried in the Graf-Martinez web site. Go to this link:

http://www.graf-martinez.info/flamenco/flamenco-guitar-workshop/index_en.htm

Click on “download” and use “login” for user, and “nopatodo” for password.

Download the Tangos and Rumba Workshops. On the Tangos, the cante is on the right channel, so you can play to the cante with or without the guitar. It’s really cool.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2003 17:14:14

sbarnard

Posts: 75
Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: Marengo, IL, EE UU

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) (in reply to Patrick)

If anyone purchases these methods, let me know how they are. It looks as though book 1 might be too basic, but I'm not sure if you get book 2 with the CD (if you can even find book 2!).

Thanks,

Scott

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2003 15:15:41

Patrick

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From: Portland, Oregon

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Scott,

I just got an email from Gerhard about volume II. As I thought, it's not available in the US yet. Here is the email:

That's right. Warner Bros (Distributor in the USA) is a really slow
elephant. I think they have much to do with selling all the B.Spears
songbooks. My Vol II is out since March. Be patient - I will inform you.

Sorry -
Saludos cordiales.
Gerhard Graf-Martinez

Scott, I also just got the Graf-Martinez, Rumba CDROM. It doesn't come with the music in book form (it's all on the CDROM), but it is really cool. Each Rumba has a bunch of videos of Gerhard playing. You can also play back just the solo guitar or the rhythm guitar(s). I don't know much about him, but he is a very good guitarist and from what I can tell, his material is first rate.

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2003 16:18:14

sbarnard

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From: Marengo, IL, EE UU

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Patrick)

Thanks for the info Pat. I sent him an e-mail just after my earlier post, but have yet to hear from him.

Where did you order the Rumba Workshop from? I think I want to get the Tangos Workshop - the demo was really good (or so I thought).

Thanks,

Scott

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2003 18:06:40

Patrick

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From: Portland, Oregon

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Scott,

Here is the deal. The workshops that you looked at from his site are just freebees that he post for all to see (marketing). Both the Rumba and Tangos workshops are pretty cool. I took screen shots of the tab from the Tangos and am learning it now. I am going to record the solo and rhythm tracks, then overlay the canta from the workshop. The canta is on the right channel so you can isolate it. I already recorded the intro and sent it to Florian. He may try to put it into the Tangos project.

As of now, he does not have a CDROM version of the Tangos, but he does for Rumba. That's the one I just got. It's like the workshop you looked at, but has several rumbas with much more information (videos, etc). I got the Rumba CDROM from Ebay. The folks I got it from were musicinyourlife.com. I don't think they show this product on their web site, but if you email Jim at jbritt@cyberportal.net. I am sure he has it or can get it fast. Very nice folks and ultra fast service.

Maybe if we bug Gerhard, he will do a Tangos CD.

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2003 19:03:40

Thomas Whiteley

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From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Patrick)

Pat;

I bought the Rumba book with two CD's one fast and one slow. about two years ago. There are no videos only sound. Good material, and an interesting way to teach using paper and sound.

Over the past few years I have e-mailed him and he has responded quickly. Seems like a good teacher and interested in helping others.

Even though part of the book is dedicated to Manitas de Plata, the right hand technique is very interesting! Combine this book with the Juan Serrano books that contain Rumba and you have many good right hand techniques for that form!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2003 1:03:51

Patrick

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From: Portland, Oregon

RE: Graf-Martinez II (english) with ... (in reply to Guest)

Tom,

He does put out good stuff. The CDROM I would assume is a take off from the book and CD that you have.

The CDROM luckily has only one piece of Manita de Platehead's

, but it's not to bad of a Rumba.