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RE: Diego del Gastor essay by Brook Zern, have a read.
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BarkellWH
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 RE: Diego del Gastor essay by Brook ... (in reply to mark74)
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Cool, you know about medieval Al Andalus. I remember when i first discovered flamenco, because of Paco and Med Sundance (like everyone else) I became obsessed with medieval Spain and read a book by Richard Fletcher on the subject..not sure if you checked that one out..
In my opinion, the best book on Al Andalus is "The Ornament of the World," by Maria Rosa Menocal. Al Andalus was not a paradise by any means, and there were periods of oppression by some Muslim dynasties, particularly the Almoravids. But on the whole, compared to Christian Europe north of the Pyrenees at that time, Al Andalus was relatively tolerant, with Muslim, Christian, and Jewish populations living in relative harmony (although each knew its place in the scheme of things). Music, science, and philosophy thrived, with practitioners representing all three communities. I recommend "The Ornament of the World" to anyone who is interested in reading up on the subject.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Apr. 9 2013 10:03:59
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Morante
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RE: Diego del Gastor essay by Brook ... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Message to Ribnibbler:
This foro is a reunion de aficionados: some know nothing, some know a lot. It is better not to tread on toes if you don´t know who you are insulting. Better to be friends. Prominent Critic knows a lot about flamenco. My take on flamenco is very similar to that of Ricardo, with the caveat that I regard the cante as much more important than the guitar, which is not to say that I am right.
Aficionados who have no access to cante naturally focus on the guitar. Some on the dance. In the world of money, en el extranjero, dance rules. High profile dancers hire great cantaores y tocaores for world tours, although they are more flamenco than the dancers. Meanwhile, in Andalucía, cante rules. These are simply observations: please keep posting, because every point of view is valuable.
Tonight Joselito de Pura a la guitarra y su tío Silverio Heredia al cante, sin micro. Eso es flamenco 
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Date Apr. 9 2013 16:02:13
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Diego del Gastor essay by Brook ... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
In my opinion, the best book on Al Andalus is "The Ornament of the World," by Maria Rosa Menocal. Al Andalus was not a paradise by any means, and there were periods of oppression by some Muslim dynasties, particularly the Almoravids. But on the whole, compared to Christian Europe north of the Pyrenees at that time, Al Andalus was relatively tolerant, with Muslim, Christian, and Jewish populations living in relative harmony (although each knew its place in the scheme of things). Music, science, and philosophy thrived, with practitioners representing all three communities. I recommend "The Ornament of the World" to anyone who is interested in reading up on the subject.
Cheers,
Bill
"Moorish Spain" by Fletcher http://tinyurl.com/d78mc2n takes a somewhat more sober view of the status of non-Islamic minorities in al-Andalus.
RNJ
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Date Apr. 9 2013 17:25:21
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BarkellWH
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RE: Diego del Gastor essay by Brook ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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"Moorish Spain" by Fletcher http://tinyurl.com/d78mc2n takes a somewhat more sober view of the status of non-Islamic minorities in al-Andalus.
I wouldn't call it a more sober view of the status of non-Islamic minorities in Al-Andalus. It is more a question of emphasis. Most historians grant that, given the era under discussion, Al-Andalus, particularly under the Caliphate of Cordoba, was a relatively tolerant society. Of course, Christians and Jews, "People of the Book" (referred to by the Muslims as the "Dhimmi") were second class citizens. They could not ride horses, carry swords, build houses higher than those of Muslims, hold high office, and they were subject to a special tax. Nevertheless, for the most part, Al-Andalus was a more tolerant society for Christians and Jews than, say, Europe north of the Pyrenees was for Jews. That said, there were periods, particularly under the Almoravids, when that tolerance disappeared and mass atrocities occurred. I would suggest that both Menocal and Fletcher reflect valid points of view regarding the history of Al-Andalus. Each emphasizes a particular aspect of that history. Above all, one must keep in mind the historical period under discussion, a period when there existed little tolerance anywhere, at least as we understand the term today. By that standard, Al-Andalus holds up pretty well.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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