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Ruphus
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 RE: Being an artist. (in reply to KMMI77)
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No, I didn´t.
The story, as I´m in the mood of telling / distracting myself anyway, if not bothering goes as follows.
Me was working in a dental lab ( where they would squeeze the living *** out of you for peanuts ) with usually incredible overhead.
Days of leisure were extremely rare, and as one occured I was stacking little rings of hot wax while zipping of my coffee, when the stack came out looking like shrivelled skin.
So, I sculptured a shrivelled male groin of it just for the giggles and made it of steel. While finishing that thing the staff would come looking over my shoulder enraptured, begging me to make them some too. ( One for each would had meant 20, but I made them only three or so.)
When I came home my girlfriend went crazy about it, asking me to make her earrings of them. ( Imagine, an already really hot looking chick with such dangling from her ears. - I asked her whether she was completely insane or what.)
Next I made a golden ring consisting of someone´s name which came out nice.
Another item was a charm that consisted of a solid ring of the size of a silver dollar with a karateka of maybe 1 cm hight standing in there with a yoko geri. That one was quite pretty.
Seeing the feedback on the pieces I thought about starting the making of special jewlery and thus some drawings like above came about.
The shop was never realized, but I still have the steely lady shown on the threads first page and the shrivel.
I love scuplturing and when bought the house planned to put in a wood shop into the basement, but the way it is with trying to purchase predefined tools over here had me giving up right after the first day of roaming the capitols stores.
Now, I have heard that there do exist artists´s stores here, and am intending to get my hands on sculpturing plasticine at least.
Ruphus
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Date Apr. 13 2013 15:33:28
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estebanana
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to KMMI77)
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Well, Hmm.
When you think that boobs and sex appeal, the seductiveness of nudity, sexually suggestive imagery and just plain straight up sexism are all used as attention grabbing content by advertising it diminishes the deep meaning in art that exploit boob images.
Not that am I anti boob, far from it. But sexualized imagery is loaded imagery, perhaps not equipped to provide a transformative or transcendent path through looking at art. Does sexualized imagery really transform into something else like many other kinds of images? Or does it always just talk about the sexual? Nothing wrong with addressing desire as content in art, but is it a visual cliche' to do so in the most obvious way?
I'm no prude, but I'm not 17 year old boy drawing boobs on the wall in the bathroom either. The great English painter J.W.M. Turner had getaway house down by the sea outside London, he would go there periodically to recreate and work without being bugged by official London. He kept a mistress there and he made erotic drawings when he was resting up from creating those maelstroms of light, wind and atmosphere.
The art historian and Turner biographer John Ruskin found the valises, portfolios and a sea chest full of erotic drawings by Turner and destroyed them personally by burning them. It is a great loss and too bad we all did not get to see his drawings one can only speculate. Gaguin's work suffered the same fate, a do gooder Jesuit threw a huge canvas sack of Gaguin's nudie drawings into a lagoon.
Thankfully Rodin's drawings were never destroyed, or Lautrec's, both delightfully languid both the line and bodies drawn.
A little bit of tittie goes a long way in fine art, lest you risk being a sexually exploitive dilletante.
And in the end poor, poor J.M.W. Turner gets classed as a dilletante, because really that thoughtless rascal John Ruskin threw away all the proof he could draw boobies.
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Date Apr. 14 2013 1:02:58
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estebanana
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Ruphus)
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If I was going to paint for selling, boobs would probably come up rarely, as I would very likely be treating relevant matters.
Art should convey a message / make some sense.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda....you hear that a lot in art school, but as soon as they leave they get a job and stop producing art.
Meanwhile there have been artists who have faced lifetime careers and created important bodies of work. Whole life times of painting like someone was holding a gun to their back.
I'm still trying to get clear on who is who, the part time dilletante or the committed pro?
And I never believed in the word dilletante. It is so pejorative in the English language. It connotes a person who has put self image and ego over real work and understanding. Most of the guitarists on the foro are not professional players, but the depth of feeling, commitment and understanding of flamenco places them far away from the definition of a dilletante. One of the things that separates a dilletante from a hard core aficionado is knowing where they stand in regards to who the professionals are.
Being a true afcionado of what ever thing you do for fun or self enrichment is not dilletantism. I could play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star on the guitar and then say "Well if I put time into this guitar playing I would produce important and profound works." That is just plain stupid to say; It's important to remember that every little kid who plays the violin and goes on to be a great player is playing Twinkle Twinkle the best they can.
Artists like Richard Diebenkorn, Bonnard, Tapies et al, are not fakes or lesser artists just because the person viewing them has not pushed his or her artistic ability enough to see what they are doing.
When a composer or artist puts his or her own butt on the line and tries to further the language of that art form it's really easy to sit back and ridicule them because it does not fit your closed or non growing sensibility. Those who want to understand it make the shift and stretch to meet them. Most of the time the viewer or listener will not shift a position out of being stubborn and refusing to grow personally. Then they project that inability to understand onto the more progressive composers or artists.
I think everyone should paint, photograph, perform, write plays, do what ever they want, but it does bother me when those artists that devote an entire life to one of those disciplines gets called a phony by someone who is not at that level of commitment.
Viewing or listening to music is not passive, Aaron Copeland told us that. Listening to anew symphony where you really think about it is about meeting the composer halfway, you must engage yourself and not give up too soon. Those who really have a passion for art and music don't give up too soon when they hear or see something they don't get yet. They keep digging into it.
Just saying. 
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Date Apr. 14 2013 18:23:13
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Ruphus
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to KMMI77)
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Hi Stephen,
While I seriously appreciate your sympathy for commitment of lesser talented, I in this realm am indeed less forbearing in times of general decline and bluring as mentioned above.
For todays market and galerists quantity is essential.
A head from the scene one told me: "Just spill! Bring me a van full of canvas and I make you big."
So what, would the fact that a clumsy maker for whatever reason is being passionate with producing, effect the quality of the produced objects?
( Aside of a certain change through learning by doing, naturally. Anything can be refined, even ways of failing. Like the refining of genesis for example.)
If we are going to keep things as is with art as an exclusive chamber, its objects should thus be standing out correspondingly. They should be way beyond of what your average Joe is capable of.
However, there is a reason for the alienation / decoupling with making and judging: which is the ways of upbringing and pedagogigs.
Just like with swimming ability of infants which would not need to be learned if there only occured no pause of actiivity, similar conditions are inplace with naturally given talents of singing, dancing, drawing and sculpturing ( and speech which counts to these genetical preferences too, besides! Watch the increasing demand of logopedical demand ).
In our civilisation individuals are usually disconnected from these activities and ( if at all) will reconnect later in life. A passive gap will however always mean loss with unfolding talent.
The clumsyness of your average artist layman ( to spare you the "dilettant" ;O/ ... a term I actually only use when the person aims / conducts commercially ) basically lies in such circumstance of education.
Very different traditionally from the conditions with many cultures of American Natives. There kids will be enageged in artwork and creative skills from early on and without periods of disconnection. Correspondingly, proficiency is so common there that their languages do not even know a dedicated term like "art".
Their model would be practically valid for a situation where one could be wanting to consider everyone being an artist.
And in fact that is what I advocat.
A natural situation with basically no clumsyness in the first place.
You would then still be having performers who would be sticking out, but not by such a margin ( that is having midgets cast long shadows), and having the rest of folks stuffed with the practical experience to know why there has something outstanding been accomplished.
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Date Apr. 15 2013 10:15:30
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Ruphus
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to KMMI77)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
Ruphus,
I thank you for setting me on the true path, for I feel these last 35 years of studying art, making guitars and sculpture I have strayed from the narrow razor like edge of the true path.
What would I have done, I mean, I was lost, truly lost until you pulled me back to reality. In fact I'm so thankful you righted my path. You are right, all the world is going to hell and the degenerate art made today is like a lead cross that is hauling us to the deep dark abyssal plains of zero culture.
We are a culture of knownothings and were it not for your ever vigilant social and cultural observations we would be completely, hopelessly and forever until the end of humanity lost in the weeds of our own ignorance.
Ole' tu!
Well then, let me in all vanity point out to you that you are gone astray with the `you or me´ premise.
As I said before, what matters is the matter, and that again won´t be effected much by things like characteristics that you label for me, nor by any commitment that could be changing a thing on qualities of actual products.
Things are awfully wrong, arbitrary inadequate and injust indeed and the insanitys outcome will not relieve if we paint it pink and put a rancid french fry on top of it.
Maybe I am wrong.
Maybe intellect is not taking a hefty dip (  ), maybe ecology is not about colliding; and the throwing ratio and soft soap in a giant barteneder regardless will not affect the global pathing.
And how I would love to come back and gladly confirm my misassumption in a couple of years!
How refreshing different would that be from the past with so many realized predictions ( and not one cup of coffee claimed of the won).
I´ll be glad to add your unaffected world to one of the few future misjudgements like that about effectts of acid rain.
Germanys forest do look weird with all those naked connifers, but they have not suffered nearly as badly as I used to estimate in the eighties.
From there: Long live a wise humanity that won´t sag through inanity, and - naturally - futures intact fellow species too!
> stretches limbs and falls backwards on one of those fluffly sitting bags from the seventiies.<
Actually should I thank you for colouring the sky back to blue!
>sigh, takes a deep, deep breath<
... >looks around<
Hey Satchmo, come here for a minute please!
Would you please sing that song for me? C´mon now ...! >prods him into the side<
:O) It´s probably just been a personal cocktail of slight serotonin underdose scrambled with a mean overdose of conceit.
Good to get that finally after decades.
Thanks, Stephen.
Ruphus
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