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mark74

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Are these flamenquitos tangos or rumbas? 
or something else..

i wouldn't expect anyone to listen to the entire songs, just a few seconds and i'm sure some of you could tell



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Sr. Martins

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
Sounds like tits to me..

I mean tangos!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 12:29:27
 
athrane77

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
ohhhhh noooo, the second video is ahhhhhhhh funny
it's tangos for sure
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 13:38:31
 
mezzo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
Tangos???
No way!



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 14:28:20
 
Leñador

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
Whew, those are rough......

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 18:11:43
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Sr. Martins) 
I love tits...I mean tangos..
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 18:46:38
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Leñador) 
Yeah, I think the kid in the second video either was playing the wrong chords or his guitar was out of tune or something...I love her voice though

Interesting fact about the second video is the song was written by Nino Miguel and Julio Iglesias
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 18:48:35
 
Leñador

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
J
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Interesting fact about the second video is the song was written by Nino Miguel and Julio Iglesias

?????????whaaaaaaat????? Niño Miguel is one of favorite players. It seems weird to think about them making music together, I can't picture it.....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 19:29:11
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 


this also confuses me, because i see rumba por tangos or tango por rumbas a lot of places...is it the right had technique that makes it rumba, while the compas and chord progression make it tango...or is it just the cante?

is there a different right had pattern for rumba por tango...it seems like most flamenco-pop is written in this format
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 19:32:04
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Leñador) 
oh yes it happened one night in 1987 ... they tripped on blotter acid and PdL played the sax solo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 19:33:41
 
athrane77

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
rumba-tangos is a lot more faster than tangos, it is just something between Rumba and Tangos
you probably hear it a lot in fiestas and juergas
muy festero
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 19:52:39
 
Leñador

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
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oh yes it happened one night in 1987 ... they tripped on blotter acid and PdL played the sax solo


Alright, I think your pissing on my shoes and telling me it's raining....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 20:30:35
 
mezzo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
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because i see rumba por tangos or tango por rumbas a lot of places...

Aside from youtube, where uploaders could write what they want to decribe and label their files, what are these 'lot of places' you're talking about?

Personnaly, I never heard about it...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2013 22:13:29
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mezzo) 
I guess just as a search function on Google. I live in Illinois, USA not Andalucia, so what I know I know from the internet

Here is an example of a piece that is both tango and rumba at once even without explicitly being called such

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 20:05:52
 
mezzo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
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Here is an example of a piece that is both tango and rumba at once even without explicitly being called such

No!
I don't know where you hear tangos flavor in there but that's a rumba catalana a la Peret style, no more.

If you search the foro archives, you may found a not too old topic, where these stuff were discussed. It was also a polemical one

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 20:20:34
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mezzo) 
In the palmas and in the section at 2:19..that sounds like a tangos cante to me

Also I did look at that and left even more confused
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 20:31:15
 
mezzo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
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In the palmas and in the section at 2:19..that sounds like a tangos cante to me

Yeah, that part is an estrebillo (a chorus). It changes the harmony to something with more andalusian flavor, but that's not a tangos, it's still rumba.


quote:

Also I did look at that and left even more confused

Welcome to the club!





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 20:38:39
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mezzo) 
i have to more research on rumba catalana, but i appreciate your help

this last video is straight cuban rumba...even if the group is spanish you could hear that on any given day in miami
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 20:47:28
 
mezzo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
Arfff! my bad.
What we need here is confuzion




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2013 21:07:46
 
Ricardo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
All rumba. Tango is from argentina.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 9 2013 1:31:25
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Ricardo) 
very funny...seriously if anyone would know you would know

i sent you a pm, but i'm not sure if i sent it properly
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 9 2013 2:13:34
 
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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Ricardo) 
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

All rumba. Tango is from argentina.


The funny thing is that a pretty good tango player from argentina ones claimed that tango came from Spain :-)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 9 2013 14:28:24
 
Ricardo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Erik van Goch) 
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ORIGINAL: Erik van Goch

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

All rumba. Tango is from argentina.


The funny thing is that a pretty good tango player from argentina ones claimed that tango came from Spain :-)

ida y vuelta....y ida...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 9 2013 15:18:15
 
Castelat

 

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Ricardo) 
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ida y vuelta....y ida...


e ida

"y" becomes "e" when it precedes a word that begins with the "i" sound, while "o" becomes "u" when it precedes a word that begins with the "o" sound.

Examples:

Estudié lenguaje e ingeniería. (I studied language and engineering)

Reciben tratamiento cruel e inhumano. (They are receiving cruel and inhumane treatment.)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 10 2013 1:18:26
 
Castelat

 

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
And yes tangos came from Argentina, like colombianas came from Colombia, fandangos from Mexico or Perú and guajiras from Cuba, etc. Its called "ida y vuelta" because the rythms were influenced between Spain and Latin America during the colony and after the independence. And if 'm not wrong rumbas also came from Cuba.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 10 2013 1:34:38
 
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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
This is Tangos, I love this song




[Te quiero niña te quiero ayyy
Te quiero niña te quiero…
De tanto mirar tu cara…
Por dentro me muero muero te quiero… x2]

[guitar solo]

Lucero de mi esperanza alivian ya mi dolor
que mi corazon se abraza en el fuego de tu amor te quiero

Te quiero niña te quiero ayyy
Te quiero niña te quiero…
De tanto mirar tu cara…
Por dentro me muero muero…

[guitar solo]

Con lagrimas de amargura mis ojos se estan segando,
Y tus labios me murmuran que te quiero llorando, te quiero…

Te quiero niña te quiero ayyy
Te quiero niña te quiero…
De tanto mirar tu cara…
Por dentro me muero muero…

[guitar solo]

No olvide el juramento que de mi boca salio…
La noche que estuve preso en brazos de la ilusion, te quiero

Te quiero niña te quiero ayyy
Te quiero niña te quiero…
De tanto mirar tu cara…
Por dentro me muero muero…
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 10 2013 1:47:21
 
mark74

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Castelat) 
Yeah beautiful song

I love Chiquete's vocal style..its not harsh and thats refreshing

Can you tell if the first 2 songs posted are tangos or rumbas?

Its confusing because they both use the same compas..I'm thinking the distinction is only in the right hand technique
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 10 2013 3:01:24
 
Castelat

 

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to mark74) 
In my opinion the first one is a mix of pop, jazz, rumba and tangos, the second one is pop-rumba with tangos, but maybe I'm wrong. For me these kind of songs are difficult to categorize because they are mixed.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 10 2013 4:13:15
 
kudo

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to Castelat) 
quote:

Estudié lenguaje e ingeniería.
vos? en serio?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 10 2013 4:23:19
 
Castelat

 

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RE: Are these flamenquitos tangos or... (in reply to kudo) 
Fué un ejemplo de oración para Ricardo. Se me vino a la mente en ese momento, no lo hice con motivos de alarde, pero si estoy estudiando ingenieria electronica.
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