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Blondie#2
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RE: hey look what i found (in reply to dformell)
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ORIGINAL: dformell It's shared files not "shared files", files are actually being shared not sold. The books that I uploaded have been out of print which means the authors weren't receiving any royalties. There's a big difference between copying a book that's in print and one that isn't, Umm, no there is isn't, in terms of copyright law. Prominent Critic is entirely correct. The fact the book is not currently in print is irrelevant - making a copy (which includes any website offering a copy for download) is infringing copyright and the publisher of that copy could be sued for royalties for every copy downloaded. If the original publisher decided to bring out a new edition of the book next year, for example, and in the meantime 5000 people have downloaded it for free, that's 5000 sales the author/copyright holder has lost. Of course the moral argument - whether its OK to distribute stuff that no one get hold of otherwise at the moment - is another matter entirely (and I am not giving an opinion on that) but copyright law is clear. However, suggesting that the 'real crime' is people selling editions for whatever the market will pay (people who bought those copies legitimately), and using that to justify infringing copyright is a rather confused morality. You seem to think potential consumers of a work have more rights than either the artist who created it, or other consumers who are merely selling it on for what anyone is prepared to pay.
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Date Mar. 5 2013 13:43:22
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: hey look what i found (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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Unfortunately Mariano passed away a few months ago. I was honored to attend his memorial, along with many of his former students, friends, and his family. He wrote his books by hand, without the benefit of computers, and always altered the pieces for his students, marking up the books to add variations. I have all of his books, and the idea that they could be free for downloading , with no money going to his wife, makes me sick. He was an incredible guitarist, and an even better man. I learned to play every single note in every book he wrote, and that was just the beginning. People who download his book will never receive what I did from him. All this free free free, is not the way to go in flamenco IMO. There are great artists out there, busting their ass to create art and help others learn. Support them please! Take lessons, don't download free stuff that was not free to create. Buy the materials the artists you respect create, and you, and they, will be better off. Rant over..... quote:
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dformell thanks for putting it up. I was wondering about the copyright as well. I know that if its a certain years old I dont think copyright applies. But if it does I think then scribd whatever has to pay the author something. Copyright law states that the copyright is good for the lifetime of the author plus fifty years. Last I heard of Mariano he was alive and well and in his eighties. I believe Juan Grecos is also still alive, but I'm not sure. In any case, it doesn't matter. Neither of these two has been dead for fifty years, and therefore they are still protected under copyright law, and are entitled to royalties. Ramon
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Date Mar. 5 2013 19:40:42
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: hey look what i found (in reply to Mark2)
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ORIGINAL: Mark2 Unfortunately Mariano passed away a few months ago. I was honored to attend his memorial, along with many of his former students, friends, and his family. He wrote his books by hand, without the benefit of computers, and always altered the pieces for his students, marking up the books to add variations. I have all of his books, and the idea that they could be free for downloading , with no money going to his wife, makes me sick. He was an incredible guitarist, and an even better man. I learned to play every single note in every book he wrote, and that was just the beginning. People who download his book will never receive what I did from him. All this free free free, is not the way to go in flamenco IMO. There are great artists out there, busting their ass to create art and help others learn. Support them please! Take lessons, don't download free stuff that was not free to create. Buy the materials the artists you respect create, and you, and they, will be better off. Rant over..... quote:
ORIGINAL: Prominent Critic quote:
dformell thanks for putting it up. I was wondering about the copyright as well. I know that if its a certain years old I dont think copyright applies. But if it does I think then scribd whatever has to pay the author something. Copyright law states that the copyright is good for the lifetime of the author plus fifty years. Last I heard of Mariano he was alive and well and in his eighties. I believe Juan Grecos is also still alive, but I'm not sure. In any case, it doesn't matter. Neither of these two has been dead for fifty years, and therefore they are still protected under copyright law, and are entitled to royalties. Ramon Amen. Would be easy to set up a webpage for the widow and offer pdf's for sale of individual sections or pieces. But who will take the time to do it?
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Date Mar. 6 2013 1:05:39
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Mark2
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Joined: Jul. 12 2004
From: San Francisco
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RE: hey look what i found (in reply to rickm)
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Mariano's books are on amazon already, and probably available from other sources as well. As far as digital versions, I don't know if they are available. I'm also not sure if that would be a good way to market his books. What offends me is the idea that his work could be taken without anyone's consent for nothing. I'm not sure getting a few pennies or dollars for digital copies from sites like scribd is a solution. Clearly, Ricardo, as well as countless others, are not happy with spotify type deals.... I recently bought Juan Carmona's book. It was over 50.00. Was it worth it? One song trancribed was worth 50.00 easy. I doubt that many people are interested in buying his book. Most of the people who could play his music probably don't need the book. Since I have loved the record that is transcribed in the book for a decade, I was happy to pay to see the music in print and work some of it out. I don't think it would be to his benefit for someone to scan and upload his book so that he could make a dollar a copy or so -it's not going to be a best seller, and the few people who want it need to pay 50.00 for it to be worth it for Carmona to do the book. For those that say 50.00 is too much, then don't buy it. Figure it out by ear, or learn something else. I'm not sure why some feel they are entitled to work that can be digitized, and for free or at a price they are willing to pay...... The person who creates a product has a right to set the price. The public can decide if they want to buy.....
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Date Mar. 6 2013 19:45:36
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