Methods by Granados + Leiva

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bernd

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Methods by Granados + Leiva

Some years ago Manuel Granados published his series "Manual didactico" in 4 or 5 volumes. Now this pretty new method "Tratdado Academico" available: http://www.storemusic-live.es/FichaArticulo~x~Tratado-Academico-de-la-Guitarra-Flamenca-Vol-1-libro-CD-Manuel-Granados~IDArticulo~737.html
Is it the same stuff like in Manual Didactico or completely new stuff?

What do you think about the David Leiva´s "Método de Guitarra Flamenca desde el compás"?
http://www.storemusic-live.es/FichaArticulo~x~Metodo-de-guitarra-flamenca-desde-el-compas-Vol-2-Libro-CD-David-Leiva~IDArticulo~636.html
If I have to pay money for a method book where the teacher is playing a guitar out of tune, I become sceptical and get toothache by hearing such a caterwauling. Just see this tremolo lesson:

His lesson on golpe seem also a bit strange in my eyes:

It looks like he begins even before Adam & Ave in the Old Testament. What do you think about his method?

I´ve bought his volume 1 of "Metodo de cante y baile y su acompañamiento", hoping to find explanation on palo structures (verse repetitions & endings, communications between guitarist and singer/dancer for starting/ending cante + baile etc.). Going through the pages I´m sadly disappointed, nothing of that I have expected. Just transcriptions of the lyric lines and guitar accompanyment as it can be seen in countless concert videos. The CD doesn´t cover these infos as well. I think it´s not adequate for non-spainards.

Although his "Desde el compás" is made a little bit sloppy by his off-tuned guitar I want to point out that I respect him as a notable guitarist and don´t want to deny him anything.

There is also DVD book "Tratado del Acompañamiento Cante" for different palos available:
http://www.storemusic-live.es/FichaArticulo~x~Tratado-del-Acompanamiento-al-Cante-Alegrias-DVD-Libro-David-Leiva~IDArticulo~739.html
Does this series give these essencial info I want to learn?

Oscar Herrero and José Manuel Montoya have vido lessons on cante ac, too. Do they lift the secrets behind the video performance? Or are any suitable resources (English or German language) making these essencial things transparent with some helpful examples? Or what can you recommand? I live in part of Germany where I need to travel some hundred kilometers to get some expensive lessons.

Any help appreciated :-)

Thx in advance.

Saludos
Bermd

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Munin

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to bernd)

Granados at least is a very good guitarist. His didactic methods are great for technique, but I don't know if he has anything dealing with cante. The Leiva guy I always found suspect. The second part of the tremolo vid even seems artificially sped up. WTF.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 15:01:26

XXX

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to Munin)

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ORIGINAL: Munin

Granados at least is a very good guitarist. His didactic methods are great for technique, but I don't know if he has anything dealing with cante.

He has relatively lots of cante accomp (compared to other "guitar" methods). Havent used Granados for exept 3 falsetas or so, but i can recommend them, i think theyre excellently done, great compositions and graduating in difficulty. Him being a good guitarrist i always wondered why he isnt more "famous", although its hard to judge that form outside of Spain.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 15:25:19

Ramirez

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to XXX)

The Granados Manual Didacticos methods are probably the best out there - i'm suprised they're not mentioned more on here (probably because they are quite difficult).

Very well thought through - I really like his playing actually.

He takes each palo and provides 5 or 6 levels of difficulty, breaking down basic rhythm, melody and falsetas for each palo.

Even covers accompaniment and technique exercises. He doesn't sugar the pill - or dumb down the falsetas, some of them are very challenging (but interesting enough to hold your attention).

Tradato Academico method is old, I think they've just republished it. Again very nicely thought out. Quite similar to the Manual Didactos methods - perhaps a little more focus on basic compass and music theory.

If you can afford them by both - they're great reference works and will keep you busy for many years to come!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 16:39:05

bernd

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to bernd)

Thx guys. Although I never worked on the Manual Didactico, I already have them here in 3 or 4 volumes. Now I have time and would also learn some cante ac. To ask for difference between the contents of the Granados series I´ve just on www.elflamencovive.com to get in touch with them. A catastrophe! It seems they haven´t got a conctact page

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 19:10:29

mezzo

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to bernd)

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Now I have time and would also learn some cante ac.

IMO it's worthless to use Granado's material for accomp purpose. I mean if you plan to learn note for note what he's playing in the accomp track, then it's a waste of time.
Basically what you need is just to strum chords with patterns. Everything else is superfluous.

Eventually O. Herrero is more suitable for that.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 19:30:02

bernd

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to bernd)

Hi mezzo,

I had a longer break in playing for nearly 1 year. Therefore I´ve also started playing solo. The Herrero and Montoya DVDs I already have in focus due to some other threads here. So thank you for keeping mi in line ;-)

btw. are you mezzoforte on youtube?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 19:42:25

mezzo

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RE: Methods by Granados + Leiva (in reply to bernd)

no, i'm mezzotoque

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 25 2013 19:45:21