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gounaro

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Any programs which seclude guitar or... 
Guys, do you know any program which can seclude the guitar to practice with cante or the opposite?

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Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
depends on the way the audio was recorded and mixed but transcribe is the closest i can think of...it has a karaoke option ...it will either cut out the cante or the guitar...( and there is some spill but hopefully enough for you to do what you need to do)

you also have the option of sliding and singling out different channels, left or right of the recording, many of the old flamenco recordings were mixed like that, guitar on one side cante on the other

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:11:00
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
Thanks Florian, I'll try Transcribe...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:12:56
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
yes try it, many other applications claim to do it, and i tried a few but essentially they all do the same thing and rely on the same thing...the way the recording was mixed down i think

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:15:16
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
Florian i tried it but it has no much difference. I clicked Karaoke option, pressed Active and went to Mix Proportions.

I think that's the deal? Or not?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:23:52
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
here is a crazy theory that i haven't tried out but in theory it should work if you are willing to do some work !!lol

first use transcribe, use karaoke option ...it will either cut down the guitar or voice...lets say guitar...with some minimal voice spillage

save that as it is, then load it in a wave editor (say cool edit)

1 .put it in the multitrack

2. load the original same soundfile as it is without the transcribe change

3. use the option "invert" on the transcribe file

4. align the tracks perfectly above each other...whatever sound was on the inverted audio will cancel out the sound on the original file and remove it, if you load the same file twice and inverted one version of it, aligned them perfectly above each other and have them at the same volume ...when you played both files at the same time..it would be complete silence

, than you can mix down and save like that...

i never tried things similar to this...not exactly this...in theory it should work :-)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:27:07
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
quote:

pressed Active and went to Mix Proportions.


il try now to see

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:28:20
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
did you check the " Out of phrase " option ?


EDit

never mind it does something but nothing useful on the audio i tried...like i said some audio work better than others

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:29:57
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
I think that Transcribe doesn't cut guitar or cante completely..

I tried Out of Prashe option Florian...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:32:44
 
brandoscostumes

 

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
the curso de manuel granados has tracks with just cante and just acompanamiento and with both but only for a few palos
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:36:14
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
I thought that there is program which does this in a perfect way...

Thanks Florian for your help. If you have any other ideas, just shoot...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:36:18
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
quote:

I thought that there is program which does this in a perfect way...



you know...there might be ...last time i checked was like 5 years ago...worth doing a google search

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:37:49
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to brandoscostumes) 
quote:

the curso de manuel granados has tracks with just cante and just acompanamiento and with both but only for a few palos

Thanks man. but i'm looking a program which can work in any mp3.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:38:11
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
quote:

you know...there might be ...last time i checked was like 5 years ago...worth doing a google search

That's what I'm doing right now... Thanks again...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:40:23
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
here is two videos claiming to do it, second video is the "invert" option i mentioned





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 15:45:11
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
quote:

here is two videos claiming to do it, second video is the "invert" option i mentioned

I thing Florian Audacity cant remove guitar, only cante.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 16:03:42
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
well let me know if you find something that works on your searches

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 16:13:54
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Florian) 
Ok.

I have found... nothing yet.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 16:40:07
 
el carbonero

 

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
way more esay:

lot of old flamenco album,for example various of antonio mairena,there are guitar left and voice right,it s esay to cut guitar.
but its best to keep little guitar of melchor because it s one of the best guitarist accompagning of all time.all tocaor can learn of him
and for sure antonio mairena is the number one cantaor
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Elie

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
quote:

lot of old flamenco album,for example various of antonio mairena,there are guitar left and voice right,it s esay to cut guitar.
but its best to keep little guitar of melchor because it s one of the best guitarist accompagning of all time.all tocaor can learn of him
and for sure antonio mairena is the number one cantaor


this is brilliant never thought of it before, thank you.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2013 21:36:26
 
Adam

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: gounaro

I thought that there is program which does this in a perfect way...



Perfect? Dude, a program can't just tell which bits of a sound file are guitar and which are cante the way you can, it needs to rely on the two being recorded separately and mixed in a certain way, and they can be easy or very hard to separate depending on how they were mixed. If a particular recording is mixed in a certain way, then great, and programs like Transcribe can handle it (and with some spillage), but that isn't always the case.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2013 20:47:31
 
gounaro

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to Adam) 
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Perfect? Dude, a program can't just tell which bits of a sound file are guitar and which are cante the way you can, it needs to rely on the two being recorded separately and mixed in a certain way, and they can be easy or very hard to separate depending on how they were mixed. If a particular recording is mixed in a certain way, then great, and programs like Transcribe can handle it (and with some spillage), but that isn't always the case.

Not exactly perfect Adam, but with the maximum result...

I think I said it nicer....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2013 0:11:21
 
Florian

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RE: Any programs which seclude guita... (in reply to gounaro) 
quote:

Perfect? Dude, a program can't just tell which bits of a sound file are guitar and which are cante the way you can, it needs to rely on the two being recorded separately and mixed in a certain way


if they can do shazam and recognize every song not from analyzing the actual audio file but just listening a few seconds mind you , then its not impossible to imagine a good software that can just differentiate between a human voice and instruments its not such a big task next to what shazam does

its still worth searching different software ...and if there isnt such a thing ...tell em ..why not ? if shazam can do it

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