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I decided to give up on flamenco on regular basis
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kozz
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From: Eindhoven NL
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I decided to give up on flamenco on regular basis.
Looking where I am now from when I first started it can only mean two things, no talent or wrong approach.
No talent seems to be the obvious one for me. (Although living in an apartment building doesn't do good either)
I still enjoy listening flamenco, and I'll try to learn a falsetta or two over a period of time, but I have no drive anymore trying to able to play a set of palos. I'll just stick to solea and seguriyas whenever I feel picking op the guitar again.
Normans' falsetta collection is enough information for the next decades, and I'll never part from Anders' wonderfull guitar.
I also picked up an old hobby of mine, which always has been electronic music, and I am building my own modular synthesizer now, based on Don Buchla's and Serge Tcherepnin's visions, which is not like the synthesizers most people know based on Bob Moog's approach to electronic music.
Almost all my free time I put in soldering and studying electronics nowadays, and I am having a lot of fun with it!
Also I accepted an internal job replacement to India for at least a half a year which probably will be extended to a year.
This is a great oppurtunity for me, and also gives me time to dive into the musical culture from India nearby.
The offer to upload the Cantinas challenge is still valid and I am very eager to hear what has come out of it!
In the meantime I'll will put some material in the "For Sale" section, like books or videos, which are of no use for me anymore. I'll still have a few subscriptions to online lessons which seem to last forever, so whenever necessary I can go back to that.
Thanks all for the wonderfull time I had here on this foro, and the wonderfull people I've met!
Still I find it a shame that I could not meet up with some of you on the Boot Camp, that's something I really was looking forward to!
All the best!
kozz
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Date Nov. 4 2012 9:59:14
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: I decided to give up on flamenco... (in reply to kozz)
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I actually think you are smart to de-emphasize the commitment to flamenco, given the other possibilities in your life, Kozz. Unless one intends to play professionally, there is no need to proceed full-bore attempting to learn flamenco at the expense of other, equally important, facets of life. I continue to play and take lessons, but I know the limits of my ability, and I do it for my own enjoyment. It is fun to play once in awhile when friends are together, and it is fun to play alone for a bit of mental therapy. But there is no need to practice two or three hours a day unless you intend to pursue it seriously.
Relax and enjoy your life, and let flamenco guitar be one facet to call upon for enjoyment. Travel, reading, your pursuit of electronics, the job in India, all of these things will bring you joy. Flamenco (or any other activity, for that matter) can become an unhealthy obsession, pursued at the expense of other, equally important activities. Sometimes it is best to let go of such an obsession and relax.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Nov. 4 2012 15:10:03
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kozz
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From: Eindhoven NL
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RE: I decided to give up on flamenco... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
I actually think you are smart to de-emphasize the commitment to flamenco, given the other possibilities in your life, Kozz. Unless one intends to play professionally, there is no need to proceed full-bore attempting to learn flamenco at the expense of other, equally important, facets of life. I continue to play and take lessons, but I know the limits of my ability, and I do it for my own enjoyment. It is fun to play once in awhile when friends are together, and it is fun to play alone for a bit of mental therapy. But there is no need to practice two or three hours a day unless you intend to pursue it seriously.
Relax and enjoy your life, and let flamenco guitar be one facet to call upon for enjoyment. Travel, reading, your pursuit of electronics, the job in India, all of these things will bring you joy. Flamenco (or any other activity, for that matter) can become an unhealthy obsession, pursued at the expense of other, equally important activities. Sometimes it is best to let go of such an obsession and relax.
Cheers,
Bill
Thanks Bill,
What you describe is actually the proces I've been goin thru.
I hope that the acceptence of my limitations towards flamenco playing eventually will bring some joy back when I'm ready for it.
Hopefully the India experience won't bring me the tabla virus,...a collegue of mine who was there last year allready gave me an address of a teacher 
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Date Nov. 4 2012 17:59:02
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: I decided to give up on flamenco... (in reply to kozz)
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Hmmm , I wasnt really organising the Cantñas challenge , or I didnt set out to . I just thought , at the time the posts were a bit stale and there was not much movment so I suggested it , after that it went by itself a bit , then came back to me ,,, that was frightening as I thought someone else would pick up on doing it and I would just help
Anyway , so long as everyone has a good time , learns something about their own playing and gets feed back from the others involved , then everyone wins ...
Really thinking about it , I am surprised that more people are not in as it is a great opportunity to find out about how others hear you , and make a few freinds too...
Anyway your still needed here ,,... even though you have chosen the path that will lead you to kraftwerk and Stockhausen etc...... 
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Date Nov. 4 2012 19:15:15
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Ruphus
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RE: I decided to give up on flamenco... (in reply to kozz)
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I suppose, what this thread might have in common to all of us, is that it makes you sorry.
After all it feels as if someone like you is giving up on a racy senorita whose sweetness turned out to be femme fatal´s medusa. The unveiling of a bogeyman´s potential threat smoldering deep in our hearts. Potentially threatening even to highly advanced players.
In view of advanced musicians who gave up playing, I used to think that they might have never been passionate to begin with. Maybe lurked in by unrelated images of making music, like giving colour to oneself, freeing from geek being, meeting chicks, etc.
But maybe resignation can hit the passionate too. Maybe even for being too passionate in the sense of being overly demanding.
And possibly sometimes you don´t even need yet to have set the benchmark too high, when you wittness exceptional cases of some mastering the guitar incredibly already after ~ 2 years or so. ( And before me going into general physiologics and ergonomics, defying the common "to each his own technique"-BS ...)
Whether enduring or dropping might also depend on the "glass half filled" or "glass half emptied" estimation.
As an autodidact who completely messed up after seeing Segovia on TV, from then on fighting his own limbs until entering state of focal dystonia which again I am trying to defeat since 7 or so years now ... I have had too many reasons to quit.
There has been appreciation by other guitarists and folks of the music business for certain achievements due and despite faked virtuosity, yet not leaving me satisfied; ever feeling sorts of like an original con-man.
What keeps me rolling the Sisyphean rock still must be just the immediate thrill with the sonics.
( I am an audiophil sucker who just is taking modern music pedagogics statement as premium that says such affiliation was indicating talent in the same time. - A talent gone astray for that matter, but whatever.)
This is not to say that I wouldn´t promptly engage an inspiring teacher and use systematic intelligence if I could go back in time, enyoing a so much more rewarding guitar career then ... Not saying, hence, that I was content with a messed up status quo and exemplary case of inefficiency through decades ...
But that appreciation, appreciation for the magic of the instrument, the lust felt when flesh leaves the strings, when the corpus talks to the diaphragm, is the engine of my passion.
Having stopped the pseudo virtuoso at some point in time, now since years focussing on mere but healthy technique to build up from scratch, and yet, even without the just-making-music sessioning, the sonics with mere technical exercising are stimulating enough to keep me going.
The times with hypothetical options of possibly emerging as the new talent out there must have been maybe the first three years or so, before adapting completely unergonomical postures. Only 3 years of a guitar playing path of nearly 40 years now.
Years without fancying, but with growing appreciation for progress.
In a next life I would be knowing all too well how to start out intelligently, without meaning to abort humble gains of the here and now.
And while respecting and valueing the depth and humbleness that precede a decision to quit: It feels like a pity when I hear of advanced player´s withdrawal. Either for their loss of musical proficiency or of their invested time.
Ruphus
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Date Nov. 5 2012 8:39:18
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kozz
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Joined: Feb. 26 2009
From: Eindhoven NL
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RE: I decided to give up on flamenco... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson
Kozz
I more or less gave up flamenco guitar 9 month ago. Reasons:
*... I got tired of the whole scene. It wasnt really giving me much anymore.
* I started devellopping pain in some left hand fingers 2 years ago, and it worries me.
* I started playing the violin after a 20 years break,
I still pick up the guitar here and then. Its a part of my job. I´ll see if I can play 15 min. a day or even just 10 min. Its nice to feel the instrument, but I´m not really into falsetas and other funky things anymore. I find it boring.
For me its not so important what i play, but it sure is important that I play and its been so for some 40 years. So go ahead with your soldering and electronic music. Maybe one day when we are old enough, we can get together and make some cross over with electronic music and acid violin.
Hee Anders,
I had some kinda feeling about it, but not for those reasons you mention.
It can be tiresome if the scene isn't inspireing anymore...for me was it the house scene at the moment it started to hit the charts.
Take care of your hands, you need them to shape the wood, wheter its a boat, violin or guitar!
Deal! We get together and go crossover, no boundaries!
Here's some inspiration, not a violin though but a beautifull instrument anyway:
http://vimeo.com/51623857
...and look at all the knobs 
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