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el.toro

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Who is the composer of this piece? 
I have always liked this piece and would like to find out who composed it. Does anyone know?

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rombsix

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Lecuona

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el.toro

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to rombsix) 
Interesting.

Does anyone know of an album done by a flamenco guitarist with that song on it?
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rombsix

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
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Does anyone know of an album done by a flamenco guitarist with that song on it?


Sabicas, Paco de Lucia, among many many others. I don't have the album titles for you in specific though, but if you search you will find them easily.

Here's Sabicas doing one version:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2012 19:31:59
 
el.toro

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
So the piece is really called Malaguena ?
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rombsix

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
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So the piece is really called Malaguena ?


Malaguena de Lecuona is this typical theme and its variations, which many classical guitarists do as well...

There is also a flamenco palo called malaguenas, which is usually libre or rhythmically free. Like here:



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Elie

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
what i know is that this is a traditional Malaguena, it is very popular among classic guitar players as well ... I have many arrangements and all depend on the same patters

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Leñador

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
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what i know is that this is a traditional Malaguena, it is very popular among classic guitar players as well ... I have many arrangements and all depend on the same patters


I was in my truck with my brother and a verdiales came on, he said "Is that like the most famous song in flamenco or what?" I said not really, verdiales is a little obscure. He said "Yeah, isn't it called El Toro" I said he was crazy. When we got home he pulled up that first video and he said "See, an awesome version of el toro" I explained that it was like a classical persons take on a Malaguena and he said we'll ask his wife. She came in, he asked me to play the basic verdiales compas and ask her what song it is, She said, "El Toro", I felt like I was in the twilight zone........How did that compas/riff become synonymous with flamenco for the american masses?? Was it in a clint eastwood movie or something??? This has actually been making me kind of crazy since he brought it up......

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shaun

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to Leñador) 
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How did that compas/riff become synonymous with flamenco for the american masses?? Was it in a clint eastwood movie or something???


I think it was in a Zorro movie. I played it at a party once and somebody there referred to it as "the Zorro theme". Other than the video in the first post, I've never heard of it being called "El Toro".
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Leñador

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
It was really bizarre, they thought I was "effing" with them that I didn't know what El Toro was, like "everyone knows el toro" I wanted to rip my beard out. It only ended with me saying fine, who wrote this el toro song, they're quick Internet search brought nothing. Still bugs me though that everyone "knows" that verdiales riff and I have no idea how.

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Ricardo

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to Leñador) 
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ORIGINAL: Lenador

It was really bizarre, they thought I was "effing" with them that I didn't know what El Toro was, like "everyone knows el toro" I wanted to rip my beard out. It only ended with me saying fine, who wrote this el toro song, they're quick Internet search brought nothing. Still bugs me though that everyone "knows" that verdiales riff and I have no idea how.


The pasodoble of the bull fight has that chord progression but it's in 4/4 .....rhythmically challenged folk easily confuse it for verdiales compas.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 29 2012 18:19:16
 
Leñador

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
That's exactly the answer I needed thanks tons Ricardo! I would have never known about the Pasodoble but now reading about it on Wikipedia and seeing it on youtube this makes perfect sense! So it's probably in every old movie where there's a bullfight.......I had no idea.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to Leñador) 
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ORIGINAL: Lenador
So it's probably in every old movie where there's a bullfight.......I had no idea.


I think Hollywood only knows one pasodoble. If you go to Spain or the Plaza Mexico you get to hear a lot more different ones. Even in Reynosa when I was a kid they knew at least half a dozen.

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Leñador

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
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I think Hollywood only knows one pasodoble


That's what it looks like, I've done some research since and there is some pretty cool ones (and not so cool), from what I can tell Hollywood seems to use España Cañí.

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Ricardo

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to Leñador) 
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ORIGINAL: Lenador

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I think Hollywood only knows one pasodoble


That's what it looks like, I've done some research since and there is some pretty cool ones (and not so cool), from what I can tell Hollywood seems to use España Cañí.



I think you are ready to start your thesis and get your PHD in flamencology.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 30 2012 13:42:01
 
Leñador

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RE: Who is the composer of this piece? (in reply to el.toro) 
Now that I know all about the most famous flamenco song ever!

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