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n85ae

 

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My Breakthrough in Tremelo and Picad... 

Odd, or maybe not. I started taking "glucosamine chondroitin" for some knee
aching from cycling, about 2 month ago and poof picado, and tremolo have
increased significantly in the same period. Not just a minor amount, but a big
amount. It's like the kinks that kept the speed down have gone away. Knees
are better as well, and I ride about 20 miles a day on my bike.

Enough so that tremelo, something I always practiced and could never get
happy with is now something I can play pleasingly musical things with.

Might not work for anybody else, but for me at 50+ it definetly makes a
difference.

Might be just placebo effect, but I don't care it made a difference. :)

Regards,
Jeff
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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

What would you say was the effect of it? How did the change feel? What kind of change, apart from speed, did you exactly noticed?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 27 2012 20:02:12
 
Munin

 

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

Dude, just start selling this as the "Paco picado pill"...you'll make millions...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 27 2012 21:56:43
 
BarkellWH

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

How long had you been working on tremolo before the breakthrough two months ago? Something similar happened to me, but without medication or placebo effect. I had been working on tremolo for a couple of years, trying to maintain a dead-on steady tremolo, but it was "galloping," not fast, and not right. Then it seemed like in one day, my tremolo began to sound steady and I was able to increase speed, almost without thinking about it. I don't think it was due to "talent" (of which I possess little enough!), but it was just a breakthrough that sometimes occurs. I don't know if the muscle-memory finally catches up with the brain or what. Your breakthrough may be due to medication (or placebo effect) as you say. But it may have just been a breakthrough that would have occurred anyway. I have always been interested in "breakthroughs," whether in playing guitar, studying languages, or even in discoveries in physics. It is an interesting phenomenon.

Cheers,

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 27 2012 22:43:11
 
britguy

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

quote:

I started taking "glucosamine chondroitin" for some knee
aching from cycling, about 2 month ago and poof picado, and tremolo have
increased significantly in the same period


Interesting.

I've been taking that stuff for years (for old age, joint pains, etc. ). And my tremolos still sound like s**t. . .

Actually, a couple of glasses of wine seem to help a lot more. . .

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Leñador

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

quote:

Actually, a couple of glasses of wine seem to help a lot more. . .


It's all about relaxation, I've always thought after 2-3 beers I'm way more fluid....then after 12 beers I'm pretty sure I'm PDL..........at least that's how it feels at the time

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to britguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: britguy
Actually, a couple of glasses of wine seem to help a lot more. . .


Ed Freeman used to pour out a glass of booze for the student at the beginning of a lesson, to foster relaxation. But then, Ed was a pretty intense guy...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 28 2012 0:30:13
 
n85ae

 

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

Well, all I can say is my fingers move more fluidly, and I've been working on
Picado, and Tremelo for 6-7 years at least as just part of practicing guitar.
Yeah, there are those moments of course when, things get better so ...
Maybe that's it, but this seemed pretty coincidental.

Anyway it did seems to help, and like I said if it's total Placebo effect ... I'm
good with that too! :)

Regards,
Jeff
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machopicasso

 

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

quote:

I started taking "glucosamine chondroitin" for some knee
aching from cycling, about 2 month ago and poof picado, and tremolo have
increased significantly in the same period.


It's great that you're making progress with your picado and tremolo, but I'm skeptical that it's on account of the glucosamine/chondroitin. I've been taking that stuff regularly for a while now, and it is very helpful for joint issues. (My mom swears by it, too).

But I haven't experienced any correlation between taking that stuff and progress on my picado/tremolo. Rather, I've made progress on picado because I'm learning how to perform picado movements in a relaxed manner. That seems to be the trick. And once you can do that, then I think a faster tremolo is a natural by-product.
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mark indigo

 

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

quote:

I started taking "glucosamine chondroitin"


i started taking it too some years ago after a knee operation. It was actually suggested by one of the consultants, and the physio i saw afterwards told me that there was some study that suggested it helped reduce joint pain but only if you took 1500 mg a day, and it took a month to build up in the system and take effect.

I took it for a couple of years, but it's impossible to tell if it helped recovery or not, and if so how much. It didn't seem to help the joint pain in my right hand index finger that is still with me.

I have also read that it is a bit controversial and not entirely proven....

then there is the issue of whether to take just glucosamine (the supposed positive study only refers to glucosamine, not to chondroitin) on it's own or with chondroitin. Glucosamine is relatively cheap, but Chondroitin is much more expensive - so who says Chondroitin is good? Apparently only the people that make and sell it.

Then i have also read about there being two different forms of Glucosamine, with the claim being that Glucosamine HCl provides 40% more pure glucosamine per gram than standard glucosamine sulphate 2KCl..... so they sell you less of it for more money.

i hope this doesn't come across as cynical, that's not my intention. Sceptical, yes, and a bit confused by all the contradictory information.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 28 2012 13:05:12
 
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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to mark indigo

Taking stuff to improve playing?
Yeah, you might wanna try coke next - it's said to work wonders...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 28 2012 13:19:42
 
n85ae

 

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to bursche

Haha, well it's not a drug it's a dietary supplement, and it's mostly for us old
folks with developing arthritis ... People feed it to dogs as well, keeps their
hips going for a couple years so they don't have to be put down quite so
young.

Anyway I've been learning to play Flamenco for 8-10 years now, and I
have always practiced tremelo and picado all along. So perhaps it was just
a coincidence that things started coming together more for me. Or as I feel
it just loosened up the joint's a bit.

Likely if you're in your 20's your right hand gets so much exercise anyway ...
you don't need the assist ... :)

quote:

Taking stuff to improve playing?
Yeah, you might wanna try coke next - it's said to work wonders...
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kudo

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to bursche

quote:

Taking stuff to improve playing?
Yeah, you might wanna try coke next - it's said to work wonders...

LLLOOOOLLL

@n85ae, why dont you show us a video of you , before and after? lets see !

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Leñador

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

I wanna see a before and after coke video!

It seems to have worked for Jaco Pastorius...

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ToddK

 

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RE: My Breakthrough in Tremelo and P... (in reply to n85ae

Wow! That is crazy! Wether that will work for everyone, i dont
know, but i'm happy to hear you're improving so quickly.
That is a great feeling.

i started taking that same stuff after my right hand injury.

I dont know how much of what i'm feeling is due to the supplement,
but at this point, my hand feels like it was never injured, and
actually feels stronger than my left hand.
My picado speed is pretty much what i feel is proportionate to what
i've put into it. I have'nt been doing quite that long yet.


TK

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