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RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain
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Arash
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 RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain (in reply to chester)
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ORIGINAL: chester
unfortunately we are a species of war....
That pretty much is all what its about.
It doesn't matter if you call yourself Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, etc.
You can **** the whole world and use any kind of ideology, religion, anti-religion, etc. as an excuse or reason.
Was Bush a Christ as he claimed to be?
Was Osama a Muslim?
I am not religious. but I don't know, i think even if there was no religion out there at all, people would find other reasons and ideologies to do the same sh!t they did in the past and do today.
I changed my mind a little about this, since in past i was more like: its all the fault of religions.
So YES; its us. Animals. Always looking for trouble and war.
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Date Aug. 9 2012 10:18:56
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RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain (in reply to BarkellWH)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
Those who are biased against Islam may be able to"pick whatever arbitrary aspect they want as a so-called confirmation," but Kudo's disgusting, shrill rant against "Christians and Jews" and "unbelievers" will provide them with one more point of confirmation in their belief.
Their belief consist of biased opinions. It cannot be confirmed in any way. Thats why i said "so called confirmation".
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I did not say "most" people, and I did not say all "poor people" have themselves to blame for their condition.
I think you said "many", but i actually removed that word deliberately to get to the core of things. Changing the quantity in that sentence does not change the quality of the reasoning of poverty, which you identify as "the irresponsibility" of, i guess now, "some" people? I already prove this wrong in the other thread. In THIS thread, I only wanted to point you towards a basic cynical attitude that founds both your statements. This is the only reason i engaged here, i dont care for religion and am certainly not in the mood to defend Kudo's post.
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You obviously think you cannot win a debate without falsifying statements others have made in order to appear as if you are making the rational argument.
Falsifying other statements are usually the easiest way to progress in a discussion, as they provide some familiar illustrative material. Presenting a new theory from scratch is always harder.
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Date Aug. 9 2012 11:35:09
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kudo
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RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain (in reply to NormanKliman)
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check of conservative Islamic groups after a twin attack last month in which the moderate Mufti of the republic was injured in a car bomb and his deputy was shot dead.
A strict community led by Fayzrakhman Sattarov, 83, a self-claimed "emissary of Allah", had been known to be living at the property for up to a decade, but there had apparently been no reason to suspect wrongdoing.
these retarded crazy groups of people exist in EVERY religion! doing very wrong things that are COMPLETELY against their religon!
and yes you are right, people have always been blaming religion for their wrong doing in EVERY religion!
there is nothing wrong with any religion in the world at all!! they all teach good things and are wonderful ! the problem is with the people, not religions !
therefore, dont attack any religion or make religions look bad, thats the red line!!
I have always met very wondeful people from all kinds of religions who are very moderate ,and not crazy strict or do anything crazy stuff, and respect other religions and mind their own business!
some of my close friends are moderately religious jews and christians and buddhists, we do discuss religion with no problems or tensions or whatsoever and we respect each other ! we even celebrate each other's festive days!
we never talk about religious wars,history,politics and etc, that might ignite tensions. I hope you understand.
Bill is the only member here who boils me and pisses me off so much! sorry to the others if you found what I said offensive, but I will never be nice with this man!
my rule is this: you are free to do , and be whatever you want to do and be, as long as you do not harm anyone and anything.
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Date Aug. 9 2012 19:42:30
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BarkellWH
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RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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In the Foro I have lamented the passing of my grandfather's era when gentlemen did not discuss politics or religion with strangers.
I remember my father saying that as well, except I think he added "women." As I recall, his admonition was, "Gentlemen do not discuss politics, religion, or women with strangers."
It should be noted, however, that in the context of the current thread, it was not religion per-se that sparked the hysterical reaction. Ironically, it was recognition that Al-Andalus under Islam was a relatively enlightened and tolerant society, given the standards of the times. It is not unreasonable for a group interested in flamenco to discuss a period in Spain that can be considered one of the primary sources for what became flamenco.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Aug. 9 2012 19:53:26
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain (in reply to Arash)
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I tell you what. I have seen them all.
- Muslims who are wonderful people, thinking how to help other people ALL DAY. Never did any harm to anyone. They even looked at the ground when they walked, so that they wouldn't kill AN ANT accidentally.
- So called Muslims, who told everyone that you have to be a muslim and that they always pray and are in the mosque, bla bla, then were stealing other peoples money, were drunk, gambled and betrayed their wife when no one was looking
- Jews who were wonderful people and their hobby was to make as many friends from different parts of the world and different beliefs as possible and have nice conversations and idea exchanges how to solve the problems
- Extremist "Jews", who want to wipe each and every arab and muslim and iranian and what not from the map and see theirselves as some kind of superior race with special privileges which no one else should have, and as soon as you critisize a little point, they come up with holocaust and antisemitism and bla bla.
- Open minded , good hearted and extremely educated Americans who critisized their own goverment and at the same time (rightfully) the goverments of muslim countries, etc. - just honest and correct.
- Dumb americans who believe every sh!t they see in Fox news (sorry if someone here watches that, i don't want to generalize ;-) and behave like animals towards anyone from middle east
- Atheists and Agnostics who were even MORE RELIGIOUS than some religious people i met who PRETENDED to be religious, means: they did all the good things which you find in religious books, etc. only didn't believe in prophets, god(atheists).
- Iranian fanatics who were brainwashed from childhood and wanted to wipe each and every "infidel" from the map
- Iranian religious people who love islam but hate the goverment
- Iranian anti-religious "atheists", who are even worse than our goverment, and would kill each and every muslim if they could and would have power.
I could keep on going with all kind of interesting and sometimes weird people i met and talked to.
Its not the name (muslim,atheits,christ,jew,etc.) they or others put on them. Its the behaviour and attitude which counts
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Date Aug. 9 2012 20:04:44
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BarkellWH
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RE: Stepping Stones of Islamic Spain (in reply to kudo)
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my rule is this: you are free to do , and be whatever you want to do and be, as long as you do not harm anyone and anything.
....except when you disagree with something that was said. We have witnessed your behavior, and the results, on several occasions, this thread only being the latest.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Aug. 9 2012 20:15:43
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