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foroflamenco.com youtube collection " only guitar playing by members"

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Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Florian)

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" Hi...are you just starting out ? are you having compas trouble ? ...do you have 10 years or are in a hurry ? ...thanks to Flostralia Industries there is now a way...just send $10 to..... "

Exactly Flo,

No Pay, No Play.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 11:05:48

Doitsujin

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Escribano)

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With one caveat, that the video is posted here and comments on YouTube are disabled, so that any discussion does not get broken up between here and YouTube - if you are going to use the forum name - include the discussion URL here in the YouTube description of the video. It might then drive more new members to us.

Otherwise, I would vote against using the forum name in establishing another community.

I had exactly the same in my mind. Sounds good to me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 12:11:57

Elie

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

nice Idea!! I would like to join and also help if possible.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 12:45:14

KMMI77

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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With one caveat, that the video is posted here and comments on YouTube are disabled, so that any discussion does not get broken up between here and YouTube - if you are going to use the forum name - include the discussion URL here in the YouTube description of the video. It might then drive more new members to us.

Otherwise, I would vote against using the forum name in establishing another community.

If i am not mistaken, to achieve this videos will have to be uploaded directly to the channel. Otherwise whoever runs the foro channel will have no control over disabling comments. That means someone having to download and then re upload each video.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 12:46:20

Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to KMMI77)

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If i am not mistaken, to achieve this videos will have to be uploaded directly to the channel. Otherwise whoever runs the foro channel will have no control over disabling comments. That means someone having to download and then re upload each video.

This is the sort of thing I meant when I said to Doit that I'm not a big YouTube user and don't understand all the ins and outs of Channels etc.

Another possible way of going could be for everybody to upload their stuff just as usual but note it in an INDEX thread on ForoFlamenco with hyperlinks.
The videos don't really have to be located in the same Channel, but could be located all over YouTube.
It's INDEXING that makes the whole Internet work anyway.

So let's say the Forum would be called "Member's YouTube Videos"

That Forum would contain Threads titled Soleares, Alegrias, Bulerias, Tangos etc etc.

When you upload your latest video to YouTube and announce it on the General Forum, you add the URL to the Forum index too, along with some brief notes...eg.."A few falsetas"..."My go at Impetu"..."Solea Ras Strumming" etc etc
The Index would be "comments free" ie all comments would go into the thread the user started in the General forum.
The user could also provide the cross-reference to the original thread (in the General forum) by copying and pasting that page's ForoFlamenco URL so people could read any comments.
Any comments left on the Index thread would be deleted by Admin, just as we did in the Challenge Entries (Ricardo Solea).

That way, someone studying say Tangos, would have an easy way of browsing through a bunch of different players and stuff for education and inspiration on that particular Palo.

It also keeps everything within the confines of ForoFlamenco except for using YouTube's disk space for video storage.

Also, on this "Selected Videos Only" theme, I have long held the view that you can learn much more from watching another Amateur who is roughly at your own level, rather than polished performances by Flamenco MegaStars, who do everything with ease.
So I would personally like to see all levels included.....and not just "complete pieces" either, but inclusive of a few falsetas or just even just rasgueado variations etc.

Just some thoughts anyway...

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 13:26:02

XXX

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to NormanKliman)

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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman

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Well they cost time and are a bit of pain in the butt imo.

Sorry for the thread hijack, but you might want to think about what you're saying. Does it really take a long time to say please and thank you? Does it imply weakness?

I was referring to manners in general (wording + behavior). And my main point wasnt that they are actually good but cost too much time, but that they cost time because they are actually useless, or to be more precise, they often serve a purposes which i find criticable (one of them being butt licking). Besides, i didnt advocate being bad mannered. Just leave out the superflous stuff. Also take note, that you can be very polite but "dont give a sh*t" about someone. Read some business letters and compare "what is written" and "what it actually meant". Then come back to me and tell me all the wording is useful und necessary to transmit the information. Please.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 13:35:46

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to XXX)

OK now we are at the risk of all talk or overtalk and no action, and you always loose momentum that way...so since it was your good idea why dont you kick this plan into action how you envisioned it and we can iron out the details and learn what works best and what dosent and make suggestions as we go.....we will all get a better idea of what works best once we seeing it and testing it...etc

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 13:41:24

NormanKliman

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to XXX)

Maybe I'm referring to life in general and you're referring to forum messages specifically. I appreciate concision.

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they often serve a purposes which i find criticable

It doesn't matter why someone else does it, but it's nicer if everyone does it a little.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 14:06:57

Doitsujin

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

Just to clarify, the idea is that nothing changes in the foro. Discussions stay in the foro and videos get uploaded or linked to the foro as usually. And there wont be palo threads. So no change at all.

Just beside of that we add them to a youtube channel to get them in one place..

But as KMM wrote some posts above, if we just make them "favorite" we cannot control commenting because the videos would be not on the channel. I think we need to think about that...if there is a way to overcome that problem.

I think it would be too much effort to upload all the videos again separately to the channel. hmmm Yeah maybe the idea will fail on that commenting prob.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 14:26:57

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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.if there is a way to overcome that problem.

ask everyone that uploads and wants the vid on that Chanel to disable it from their own settings ? i cant think of any other way...besides someone re uploading all the videos..to the same user

or making the password and email address available to everyone here...to upload own videos (theres no reason the last one cant work...we all share the responsibility) perhaps open a foro flamenco Hotmail account and use that

if anyone sees some spamming or things that dont go by the established rules takes care of it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 14:29:46

Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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a youtube channel to get them in one place..

Yeah Doit, but as Kiko pointed out, within a short period of time you are gonna have just a bunch of unorganized, unsorted videos, with possible comments from various Internet randoms and trolls.
Whatever method of storage or organization is used, SOME kind of indexing will have to be employed otherwise it will just be chaos in a year or so IMO.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 14:34:21

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

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Whatever method of storage or organization is used, SOME kind of indexing will have to be employed otherwise it will just be chaos in a year or so IMO.

if we establish a way to index everything, an order, ....perhaps starting with foro member name, followed by palo or whatever u guys decide that its important

if we use the setting only people with the link address can view this...minimizes people outside the foro seeing it "minimizes the chances of being reported for copy write infringement"...and everyone here will have the address since the video is posted here...i also suggest saving specific names like where is a falseta or a solo from or whos singing for here....

i lost a couple of accomp cante videos ( accompanying a voice on cd) cause someone must have reported me...one was Miguel Poveda the other David Palomar...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 14:37:03

Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Florian)

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or making the password and email address available to everyone here...to upload own videos (theres no reason the last one cant work...we all share the responsibility) perhaps open a foro flamenco Hotmail account and use that

That had crossed my mind too Flo, but the security issues are too many.
All it takes is one joker or disgruntled member to log onto the Hotmail account and change the password, then all control is lost and we're up the creek.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 15:13:37

Doitsujin

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

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Yeah Doit, but as Kiko pointed out, within a short period of time you are gonna have just a bunch of unorganized, unsorted videos, with possible comments from various Internet randoms and trolls.

They must not be sorted. Just chronologically. No Cats, no funny unrelated crap..only guitar playing of members. No sorting needed IMO.

hmm.. Or, it must not be youtube. We could build up another sort of indexed library of foro uploads. Just on the basis of the links. I could imagine that something like that exists. When thinking twice about it.. eehmm..that could be the first time, porn would have lead to the development of a tool that we need right now... indexed video databse..link-based with image preview. haha

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 15:58:43

XXX

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to NormanKliman)

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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman

Maybe I'm referring to life in general and you're referring to forum messages specifically. I appreciate concision.

I am referring to all verbal and non-verbal communication that is not a display of information and a display of manner. There are distinct degrees of mannerism. As a general rule, the closer you are to a person (i could also say the "nicer" your relationship), the less you need to pay attention to manners.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 16:18:30

El Kiko

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to KMMI77)

KMMI77

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One idea would be to have someone experienced like Ricardo decide which videos get to go on there

Why does it always have to be Ricardo ?/ hes a good player ..OK but surely someone else can make a decision about flamenco .

It looks o me like this is already causing problems and no one has really mentioned any huge benefit to having it , but there seem to be a lot of drawbacks...

I am less sure now than I was before ...maybe you just need a place on the forum where members can leave their youtube channel URL and foro name and then amongst this list people can sort themselves out .

That way you get everyones videos , good and bad , if you wanty them , but not if you dont want ...and if you want to keep your videos apart just dont put your name down,,,,,,,
Maybe it's not what you want but its a lot easier, ,
and doesnt involve Ricardo ./.........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 17:14:15

Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to El Kiko)

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and doesnt involve Ricardo

Oh well, I guess he'll have to miss out on the $16.99 fee payable in advance to him for each video submitted to him for his consideration.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 17:54:00

Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

This thread is rapidly going down the drain.

(Estebanana should perhaps post some wise words at this point.)

Doit, refer to my earlier post.

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Doit...no good asking folk what the f*ck they want

Man, really....trying to organize anything here is more stress than you or anyone can reasonably be expected to cope with.

The status quo just seems to work as it is IMO.

However don't let me put you or others off.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 18:07:00

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to El Kiko)

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Why does it always have to be Ricardo ?/

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and doesnt involve Ricardo

gasp...why dont you like Ricardo ?

why not Ricardo ? who dosent like Ricardo ? if Ricardo wants to do it, Ricardo can do it ...lucky Ricardo is not here right now to see this

when Ricardo gets here you gonna have some splaining to do

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 18:11:06

Ron.M

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

It's at times like this when we need a good loony like flamencopuro or the mushroom guy or The Doctor or the Viking to come out of nowhere and post some crazy stuff to distract us for about 4 or 5 pages of entertainment and popcorn munching exchanges of venom and smartass posts from all before he eventually gets banned.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 18:23:31

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

:-) i am sorry...we just need to do it now.....enough debate .. once its up well work it out as we go...as i said democracy can be counterproductive sometimes

no matter what u do u wont be able to please everyone and take everyone's opinion so..."a good compromise is when no one gets their way"

Since it was Doits idea....do it as he envisioned it ...first...see how it works...well start from there...or we can debate it another 3 days either come to the same conclusion we are at now cant take all suggestions into account... or lose interest

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El Kiko

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Florian)

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gasp...why dont you like Ricardo ? why not Ricardo ?

I never said I didnt like him ....hes ok , but the world keeps turning without him? .....Im just saying why him , being a good player doesnt mean hes a good administrator .........why not you??? , for example ............yeah , florian for president !!!

(besides I'm scared of him ..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 19:52:58

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to El Kiko)

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why not you???

I can be too easily bribed

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 20:14:53

El Kiko

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Florian)

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I can be too easily bribed

I bet you $10 you cant ...............

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 21:18:21

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to El Kiko)

oh that's right i forgot.. i cant ...or i can ...i am confused

...try to bribe me with $20 and find out

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2012 21:35:51

KMMI77

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Ron.M)

Just a suggestion. What about a thread controlled by Admin called "watch our members" or something. It could just have members names and then a link to their you tube Page, For example,

Guitarists

Florian- Link
Ron- link
kozz-link
ricardo- link
arash-link etc..

Luthiers,

estebanana--link
anders--link

dancers,

notmanydancers-link

singers--

nosingers-link

Then at the bottom of the page it could read'

(You must make at least 200 posts to join this list) or any other criteria decided on. Just to stop people advertising without contributing. Then it could read,

"If you would like to be added to this list, please send your you tube page link in a pm to Ron" or whoever is in control.

The thread could remain locked and only unlocked and updated by one admin, If that's possible?

That way no one can post comments and make the thread untidy. It would be clear and easy to find and watch each others videos.

The thread could be pinned at the top so it doesn't disappear into the abyss. thoughts?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 12 2012 3:51:50

Florian

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to KMMI77)

lol that's not bad at all Kris, its just funny how simple it is and how much it makes sense and how much headache, debate and work it saves....and none of us thought of it lol...the simplest most direct way is most often the most effective

wish i had a golden star to give you right now

good thinking, personally i think its a great idea

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 12 2012 5:52:22

Ricardo

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to KMMI77)

I agree that youtube favorites can be a pain to go through, expecially if there are a lot of them which there will be. I propose a similar thing to what kris said.

IN audio video uploads have a sticky thread called "meet the foro members" or something. Each member that WANTS to contribute post up his or her OWN choosen video , 2 or lets say 3 maximum (for example a solo plus cante plus baile accomp or for guitar builders some of their finest examples blanca negra etc) that represents their own playing. THis way the videos are both easy to find and controlled by the individuals. Also audios can be used instead of videos incase people want to show that they play well but don't have videos (for example norman doesn't have videos but nice audios). Over time any member can edit his or her own post to change the video links if they want to just like people can do with avatars etc. so the sticky thread is always current and fairly representing each member. Only text in posts should be what the video is they are about to watch..."this is my own buleria"..."this is Jason playing the blanca I built..." or in Ecribano's case he could put up the promo of guitarerro and brief explain he is the videografer/director producer etc. new members can run through the thread and see who's talking.

I'm not doing anything however until Doitsujin puts back up his ardila video on youtube.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 12 2012 16:57:36

El Kiko

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RE: foroflamenco.com youtube collect... (in reply to Florian)

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lol that's not bad at all Kris, its just funny how simple it is and how much it makes sense

What happened maybe my computer doesnt work ..!!!.. I said that on page one of this..

Kiko

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maybe a section on here where members can add there flamenco only channels to a list ....and one could browse by name ,....

And then again a few posts ago .

Kiko again

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maybe you just need a place on the forum where members can leave their youtube channel URL and foro name and then amongst this list people can sort themselves out

You dont need this 2 or 3 videos stuff , just a link to your YouTube channel and all the stuff you have is there , or not ,..if you dont want it

As i said ...
and its even easier than that as you just put your link on your own profile , again if you want , and that is that , many here have that already ....

This can only be sorted out by member and not by music or anything else , as there will never be any order ...
As I see it it would get messy any other way .....

like the idea for THE FALSETA SWAP SHOP , the idea is great ,excellent .. but now you just have everything in on top of everything else ...
that is to say videos all mixed and also mixed with comments and chat ....

So in there if you want to find a falseta for a certain palo , which may , or may not be there...well you have a lot of searching to do .. and most people wont do that .,
there is no index or system to it . unfortunatly

This idea will end the same IMO so the only thing you can do is have a link section for all players , if they need access or a min number of posts is not really important....

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