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desaviol

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is this flamenco sound

i want your opinion.
is this flamenco sound or is this flamenco negra guitar?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 26 2012 22:13:37

Doitsujin

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RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

Get the compas down first than worry about sound.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 26 2012 22:23:02

desaviol

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RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to Doitsujin)

off topic

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 26 2012 22:30:47

nhills

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From: West Des Moines, IA USA

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

That's a nonsense question.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 0:09:16

TANúñez

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RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

I don't understand your question. A flamenco negra when built like a true negra will sound flamenco. That guitar also happens to be a negra.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 2:11:29

Stephen Eden

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RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

Yeah it sounds flamenco and yeah it is a Negra?

are you going to tell us it is a blanca in disguise!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 8:05:41

erictjie

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RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to Stephen Eden)

jajajajaja!!!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 10:00:03

Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

Hi desaviol,

I think I understand what you are asking.

Yes, it does sound "flamenco" in overall tone.

Your playing is kinda "scrappy" though. Very rushed and with no expression or dynamics.

You really need to slow right down and practise with a metronome and get your phrasing and note timings right.

Try something a bit slower eg soleá in E and soleá por bulerias in A.

Try to play each phrase with expression like you meant it...don't be happy with "just getting through it".

Good flamenco playing is very accurate, that's also a big part of the "sound".

BTW...you are playing the guitar the wrong way round...

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 11:20:19

desaviol

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RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to Ron.M)

yes i know. i play veryy scrappyy
but i am learning flamenco style alone 6 months now.
i am musician and am playing bouzouki and cretan lute.
i ll be back with better playing in a few month or years
who knows.
this guitar in video is a classical guitar
high action , heavy and high bridge,
overall weight of guitar is 1800gr
the sides of the body is double .
i think this is typical things for classical guitar.
but sound flamenco.
why?
sorry for my bad english..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 14:21:05

TANúñez

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From: TEXAS

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

There could be a number of reason why this guitar sounds flamenco. The recording for one and also the room you are in. The guitar sounds bright. I have come across many classical guitars that would make nice flamenco negras. It really depends on a few things and by only hearing your guitar on video, I can only make assumptions.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 15:34:41

Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

Hi desaviol,

It will be very difficult for you to learn flamenco technique on a high bridge, high action guitar as it will affect your hand position and things like golpe. (which is not just a kind of ornamentation you add in here and there, but is integral to the feel of the hand and rhythm of the music.)

Try to get a low cost proper flamenco guitar like the Yamaha, since the whole feel and setup will be very different to your Classical.

Otherwise at some point when you finally decide to buy a flamenco guitar, you are going to have to "unlearn" a lot of your technique you have spent months on.

It's sometimes possible to file the saddle right down on a Classical and fit a tap plate to protect the top. (I did it once and it wasn't too bad) but it very much depends on the individual guitar.

As Tom says, there are some Classical guitars that sound right for flamenco.

In fact at the Ramirez shop, they said that their Negras were basically Classical guitars "Flamencada". (different bridge, neck, setup etc).

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 15:35:54

El Kiko

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From: The South Ireland

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to Ron.M)

A guitar can help your sound , a :Blanca is a generally a brighter sound than a negra , which is a bit more bassy ....however the biggest difference of all is the player , you must get the flamenco sound from yourself ,,, that is the challenge .. if you are just beginning then to get the basics together it really doesnt matter that much what you play , you will know when its time to move to a new guitar .....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 17:34:37

TANúñez

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From: TEXAS

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

In fact at the Ramirez shop, they said that their Negras were basically Classical guitars "Flamencada". (different bridge, neck, setup etc).

Ramirez negras are actual negras. Their flamenco with rosewood back and sides. If you order a guitar 'flamencada" you will get their 1a Tradicional classical model fitted with their flamenco bridge. Which is what Manolo Sanlucar played.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 18:34:56

keith

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From: Back in Boston

RE: is this flamenco sound (in reply to desaviol)

i clicked on the video and the only thing i can say is that the video in sight and sound came across to me as it would have come across to helen keller.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 27 2012 21:46:59