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BarkellWH
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 RE: Lebanese pop music - where are w... (in reply to Ron.M)
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60's was just a great period to be young!
(Then again...I suppose ANY period is a good period to be young!!
You are absolutely right, Ron! I couldn't agree more. I, too, am a child of the Sixties, and I reached many conclusions at that time of my life, some of which I still consider valid, some of which were naive, and some of which were downright stupid in hindsight. Not all things we cherished when we were young hold up well to careful scrutiny.
I am reminded of William Wordsworth's famous lines about the French Revolution: "Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, but to be young was very heaven!" Well, we all know where that led: Robespierre and the Reign of Terror.
Cheers,
Bill
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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Jun. 19 2012 13:43:35
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mottallica
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From: Israel
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RE: Lebanese pop music - where are w... (in reply to Pedoviejo)
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And I loved it when the comic-commentator corrected Ms. Link's garbling of "schmuk" - Yiddish adopted into American English now finds its way to an Arabic-speaking country. But did she understand what it really meant? Schmuks and schmekkels? (Jewish American guy telling his friends about his vacation trip to Israel, the highlight of which was a camel ride. "And, to top it off, they let me ride the most virile, macho camel of them all!" he says.
"How could you know that?" his friend asks.
"Because wherever I rode, everyone pointed my way and said, 'Look at the schmuk on that camel!'")
BTW, my girlfriend is a physician, and at present her "chief" is from Lebanon - seems to have followed the exact path you noted: Go to U.S., become super specialist, rise in the ranks to chief of service. But it's not just the "Lebanese plan", but also the Turkish, Iranian, Indian, Israeli, Chinese..........
2 things pls :D
1)sorry to ruin your joke - Israel is not the first place you'd go on a camel ride - not really as much of a desert as you might think :D
2)we don't face the same problems about physicians fleeing - the Israeli medicine is top of the line - we have the opposite problem. since the studying is so hard and the Admissions are so high here ,a lot of Israeli people that want to be doctors go study in Europe (usually in Czech republic or Italy) then come back to face the final exam here
the Israeli equivalent to the american SATs is called the psychometric test and it ranges from 200-800 , 200 being you wrote your name correctly 800 being perfect
it's a 5-6 hour test of Hebrew English and math and to study medicine you need to score about 760
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Date Jun. 19 2012 15:20:47
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Pedoviejo
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RE: Lebanese pop music - where are w... (in reply to mottallica)
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1)sorry to ruin your joke - Israel is not the first place you'd go on a camel ride - not really as much of a desert as you might think :D
Hey, Mottalica -
The joke was told to me by an American Jew, a Cantor, no less. From my experience, what deserts and camels there are in Israel is about as much as most American Jews will ever see in the Near East, so they have to suffice.
Quote: "the Israeli equivalent to the american SATs is called the psychometric test and it ranges from 200-800 , 200 being you wrote your name correctly 800 being perfect it's a 5-6 hour test of Hebrew English and math and to study medicine you need to score about 760 "
And I'll admit that those are pretty tough standards, usually a sign of tremendous competition for very few slots. However, more than just a few Americans go to medical school in other countries when they can't get accepted here (remember President Reagan "rescuing" those American medical students on the island of Grenada in the Caribbean from "Cuban insurgents" in the 1980's?). When they return, they are lumpted together with all other non-American trained physicians under the title "FMG" - Foreign Medical Graduate - which has a somewhat pejorative connotation. However, it is also my observation that a significant number of the staffs at major medical schools and centers here are from other countries. E.g., the only full professor of neurology at Tulane Medical School & Center is Iranian (a great friend, too), and the pediatric neurologist at his clinic is Israeli. My personal, family doc is Pakistani, Mohammed Youssef, also a friend.
When I was growing up my ambition was to be a surgeon. Then I fell in love with flamenco guitar which drastically altered that plan (my mother crying and cursing all the way, "You'll starve, you'll starve!" She wasn't Jewish but she should have been.) I ended up in law, and ironically, through coincidence I ended up doing lots of medical law and now know just enough medicine to be dangerous. And still playing flamenco almost fifty years later
So lighten up, Mottalica! Don't torture yourself. Try to make a living at something you at least like doing, and there are many, many different ways to do good in this world. We can't all be Abu 'Ali ibn Sina or Moshe ben Maimon, great physician polymaths - but their kind is just about extinct today due to that highly focused, intensive training that you refer to, which by its structure and nature excludes just about everything else that is important to making a full human being. I don't know how things are there, but there's so many "professionals" here who are highly trained and make good money, whether it's in medicine or law or acocunting or whatever, but when you go outside their area of expertise they become less interesting than the guy who repairs your car, who often also has better instincts and insights. Don't let the good person you are, with your humanity intact, get sqeezed into a tiny capsule. If it's for you and you're ready, you'll blow through those exams. Just don't let them be the judgment of your life.
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Date Jun. 19 2012 19:02:49
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