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a_arnold
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 RE: a simple, elegant and cheap solu... (in reply to rombsix)
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Cool - was this your idea, or did you see that somewhere?
My idea after several attempts. I hereby give the patent to the foro flamenco.
Other similar (less elegant) solutions:
First I bought the tiny planet waves tuner bcz it is the most inconspicuous, then I played around building a "cejilla" that mounted on the back of the headstock with a tuner mounted on the body of the 'cejilla' (leaving only a black string showing across the front). Worked, and would work on a guitar with machine tuners. But the black string still bothered me, and the "cejilla" added unnecessary weight for someone (like me) who plays with his guitar cocked up in the "traditional" position.
Second attempt, I built an ebony gizmo that clamped on the string of one of my regular cejillas and carried the tuner pressed against the back of the neck, in the area under the "dead" end of the strings so it was always out of the way when playing. I am in the habit of clamping the cejilla above the nut when I'm not using it, so it worked when tuning open strings -- but I couldn't leave it on the guitar when it was in the case because of my case design. Invisible from the front and functional, but inelegant.
Third idea: The mounting bracket/clamp for this tuner could be cut down until the attachment point becomes just a flat plastic disk without a clamp. The disk is large enough to drill holes in and screw mount (or even inlay) it into the back of any headstock. Invisible, functional, even lighter, even more easily removable, but requires minor modification of the back of the headstock.
Any of those 3 solutions would have worked with a guitar having machine heads, but I settled on this solution as the most elegant, and best for me since I have only pegheads.
This is something that all luthiers should give away with their pegheads. It took less than 5 minutes to make. I bet that a clever luthier could design a gizmo that fit on the back of a machine head to give similar purchase to a tuner.
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Date May 14 2012 19:00:39
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rombsix
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From: Beirut, Lebanon
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RE: a simple, elegant and cheap solu... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Your question puzzles me cuz anyone who can't or doesnt' understand relative tuning is lost. Lesson 1, how to tune a guitar.
Truth is when we play live with several guitars it is troublsome without a tuner cuz everyone thinks their guitar is the right one. And capo AFTER tuning first is problems too. But the point of my joke was for LIVE performance not teaching, having that thing on the headstock is UGLY. My joke was you don't need the thing in reality if you use your ear for a performance. For guitar ensemble we go off just one guy who gives a note....if it is not perfect A 440 it is not important.
Yeah, I understand hombre. I got the joke and what you mean, but I was referring to why it is still important for some people to have tuners. I've come across many students who are just extremely unable to tell whether a pitch is this one or that one. It is as if they are in a state of being eternally lost, and no matter how much you try to teach them to tune a guitar, they just can't unless a machine does it for them. Clearly, they suffer immensely to learn music, but they just insist on wanting to learn, and I continue trying to teach them because even when I send them messages implying that they should just accept the truth that they are not going to get much better very fast, they persevere and want to keep receiving lessons...
About strings not looking tidy when kept long at the headstock (in case of need for emergency re-stringing), you can do this:
http://www.kentguitarclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/PC140636-500x331.jpg
Looks much tidier in my opinion.
And a note - I find those "vibration sensor" tuners suffer in a noisy environment because the guitar's body picks up ambient vibrations too, so the tuners goes berserk while trying to figure out if the guitar is vibrating due to its own strings, or the surroundings, resulting in a hassle to tune (at least that is my experience with my IntelliTouch tuner).
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Date May 14 2012 22:10:59
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at_leo_87
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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
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RE: a simple, elegant and cheap solu... (in reply to rombsix)
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cool idea, tony!
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but with perseverance and hard work, one can get to where one wants. I just sounded like a motivational speaker.
nice. 
when i first picked up a guitar, it was impossible for me to tune by ear. i had to wait until a friend came around and tuned it for me. so sometimes, i would play out of tune for days. i eventually got a tuner and became dependent on it.
then i met a friend who kept calling me a wimp every time i used my tuner. over time, using a tuner became associated with being wimpy so i stopped using it for good and was basically forced to undergo super basic ear training every time i tuned.
so for me, i just had to stop using the tuner altogether, no matter how tempting it was, in order to learn.
eventually, the same friend would tease me whenever i tuned using unisons or harmonics. nowadays, i've been tuning a lot with just the open strings (4ths or 3rds).
so the lesson is, if you want to improve your ear, put away the tuner, just start tuning, and have a friend call you a little b*tch if he ever catches you using a tuner. 
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Date May 15 2012 12:28:32
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