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Shawn Brock
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I hate to revisit this, because I know geared pegs have been talked about so much... But...
I got the "PegHeds" catalog today from Chuck and was giving it a look. For the 8 MM PegHeds I noticed that he has 2 styles, a "Ramirez" and the other which says, "same as violin but larger". So... From what I can tell the "Ramirez style" is a half of an inch longer than the "violin style" and the grip is slightly smaller on the "violin style". Also the "Ramirez style" weighs 67 grams, where the "violin style" weighs 55 grams. Am I missing any other differences here?
Now that I have asked that, I have 2 other questions. First, which set do you prefer, the Ramirez style or violin style, and why? Okay, it was a 2 part question... Sorry...
Lastly, what do you think the average weight of a set of friction pegs would be? I'm guessing 30 to 40 grams. And yes, I do know what all of these weights truly feel like. I'm a "Registered Piano Technician" member of The Piano Technician's Guild, and one of my specialties is touch weight analysis. So I'm used to working with small gram weights which run from 1 gram to 60 grams.
Also Chuck says, "I can fit 4mm mother of pearl, abalone, or gold shell inlay on the string post. Add $18 per set." Just in case any of you have been interested in having decretive PegHeds. That will probably add 1/2 grams per peg though...
It seems that the Ramirez style would get some points because they may look more natural, but the downside is the extra weight. The violin style gets points for having less weight, but may not look as traditional? I don't know... The other good point about the violin style not being as long is the fact that you don't have as many worries when choosing a case for your guitar. I know some cases just flat out don't work for guitars with pegs, because the case don't have enough clearance between the end of the pegs and the lining of the case...
Thoughts?
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Date Mar. 22 2012 19:46:51
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Shawn Brock
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to Shawn Brock)
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Hey Anders, thanks for the info Man. Sorry about getting the measurements wrong on the Ramirez style and calling it a half inch longer when it is in fact only 5 MM longer, I was going off of what the catalog had said... Which makes me wonder, how up to date his catalog is on measurements and weight...
I agree with you on the 7 MM violin style, it would be more natural looking if he would make it a little longer. As it stands I may order the 8 MM Ramirez, if its only 5 MM longer, I can't see that making much difference when picking out a case... Of course, all of this is assuming that I grow disgusted with my friction pegs this year, which hasn't happened so far...
Would you care to comment on which grip you like better, the violin or Ramirez style? I know that I saw a set some years ago which had a thin grip, and they didn't feel as comfortable to the fingers when tuning. That set also had a more "flat or satin" finish. All of the later sets I have put my hands on were the violin style, and they had a slick finish, and the grip was thicker and felt better to my hand than the other set I referenced. All of that makes me wonder if another company had made the satin finished set, or if Chuck just changed a lot of things over the years.
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Date Mar. 23 2012 16:58:17
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to britguy)
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@ Britguy, great pics Man, thanks for sharing! I had wondered if you had decided to take the plunge and get the Pegheds, I guess this answers that. Glad they are working out so well for you! Good luck with the trees, I hope today brings you sunshine.
@ all of you, I'm still in need of your help... I had originally asked about which Pegheds to use, because I thought I may have them installed on an old beater guitar. Now things have changed, looks or feels like I'll need them installed on my Castillo... So here's how it lays out, the pegs on the Castillo are 7 MM. So my question is, could I get the 7 MM Pegheds and not have to worry about reaming the existing holes? If work is going to have to be done on the holes, I'll probably just go with the Ramirez style, if not I may take a chance on these 7 MM violin. These Castillo pegs are sucking! I hate to say that, cause I have always been a fan of Salvador's work, but the truth is the truth... I don't know if this set of pegs is so fussy because they are 7 MM, and the set on my beater is 8 MM, and that makes the beater easier to tune, or if a lot of the problem is because of the desert dryness. I keep 2 humidifiers in my case, and the guitar is showing no signs of problems, but these pegs just aren't working right. The guitar has only been here for a day, and things could turn around, but all in all I think these pegs weren't fitted as well as they could have been. Maybe I'm wrong, but those are my thoughts at this time...
Can I rant to you for just a moment? Okay, no one said no... Las Vegas is one of the worse places in the world to live, people are as lazy and foolish as it gets! I have tried all of the violin shops here in town, and not a 1 of them are willing to put in a set of Pegheds on a guitar! What's up with that? I mean, I know you are trained in violin repair and not guitar, but dang! I even told them that they wouldn't have to restring the guitar, just ream the holes, and put in the Pegheds, but no... I am capable of doing this myself, but I believe in having a person who is qualified and trained do this kind of work. In other words, this is what you do for a living, and I'll pay you to do it, just because that's the way I am! So I'm left with the choice of doing it myself, or taking it out of town... It seems ridiculous to me! I guess I'm used to living in other world class cities, with people who are willing to work for a living... After visiting what is supposed to be the best/ most high end violin shop here and seeing what they offer, I'm not sure that I would trust these people to work on anything anyway...
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Date Mar. 30 2012 17:07:15
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britguy
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to Shawn Brock)
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I am capable of doing this myself, but I believe in having a person who is qualified and trained do this kind of work
Shawn, amigo; do yourself a big favour, and do NOT try installing the Pegheds yourself!
John Charlie Herin claims its relatively simple. But you need a special "violin" reamer (30:1 taper I think?) to accurately match the taper of the Pegheds, and a better than average skill with luthier-type woodworking to do a proper job.
I originally made the mistake of taking mine to a local luthier who builds quality 'steel' guitars ("Sure, I can do that for you. No problem . ."). He almost f**cked up my headstock by using the wrong reamer, and then deciding it was maybe "not his baby".. I was happy to pay a master-class violin luthier to clean up the messed-up peg hole and fit the pegs properly. They have worked fine and look great.
Incidentally, I wonder why your Castillo pegholes seem to be smaller than mine?
Measured with a Vernier gauge, my Castillo pegholes measured between .295" - .300" bore, at the front face of the headstock. The headstock is .775" thick. Herin determined that this required 8mm Pegheds. Are yours that much smaller that you need 7mm Pegheds?
I'm certainly no luthier, but I think you'd be wise to take Ander's advice and go with the Ramirez 8mm Pegheds. They certainly work fine on my Castillo, and they look very natural. I think you'll be happy with them.
Good luck. . .
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Date Mar. 31 2012 22:36:22
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Shawn Brock
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to Shawn Brock)
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Well, another thing, Chuck says that the 7 MM violin style hasn't been made for guitar for several years, said he only sold a few sets of them... So I'll be going with the Ramirez set, and will be putting them in myself. I have finely ran across a local violin maker who has some smarts. I'm going to take the guitar over with the Pegheds, when chuck sends them, and go to work. The violin maker said I could gladly use his tools, and he would be glad to help if I got stuck. He has installed many sets, and said he would be glad to help.
I had seen where someone online said you could use a regular 3 MM to 12 MM reamer from the hardware store. I don't know how that would work, being that I know violin reamers are fluted, and better quality over all. As I said, because of my work on pianos, I'm a pretty skilled woodworker, so the idea of doing this don't bother me as long as I have the right tools. And if need be, I'll have someone with true experience there who can take over or help out. Part of me is glad to have this experience just because this may not be the last time I want a set of these installed.
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Date Apr. 1 2012 17:52:06
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to Shawn Brock)
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Thanks again Anders! You know we always look forward to your pictures, and the videos. I'm going to be on the hunt for a spruce blanca soon, so please do keep posting the videos of your finished product! And yes, I will for sure go slow with the reamer. It doesn't bother me at all if it takes me 3 hours to do the job... This violin luthier and I have hit it off, and I'm taking over some of my fiddles and bows for him to take a look at. Going to have him do a little bridge work on one of the fiddles while I'm there. So I'll have great company and lots of talk about music and instruments to keep me there for most of the day I'm sure. LOL
@HolyEvil, Savage offers free shipping on the Pegheds I'm pretty sure. The price I paid Chuck was US $141 for a set of the Ramirez 845B Pegheds, this price included Priority Mail shipping in the US. I bought a guitar from Rich, the owner of Savage Classical Guitars, about 4 years ago, and found him to be a great guy to deal with. You can't go wrong if you order from him... He will also install the Pegheds for free as I recall if desired. By the same, dealing with Chuck directly has been great. He has done his best to answer any questions/ emails/ phone calls quickly. Once I decided which set I would order he sent me a PayPal invoice and then a tracking number about 1 hour after I paid. The whole thing from the email telling him what I wanted and requesting the invoice, until the time he dropped them in the post office was less than 2 hours. Now that's good service! You can expect the same kind of service from Rich as I recall...
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Date Apr. 3 2012 16:35:32
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to Shawn Brock)
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Well, I have 2 other flamencos with "real pegs". But thanks for the insight and valued opinion... Guess I'm just pretending to be a "real man". Being that I like Pegheds and traditional pegs what does that say about me? Gosh, my wife may be a little upset to learn that as of today I'm not a "real man"! And yes, I even have a flamenco with machines! That wasn't by choice though, I bought it used and that's what the original owner had put in it... So I must plead for your forgiveness on that...
After all, the guitar which is the subject of this post is a negra. I guess if only "real men" use "real pegs" that would also mean that "real men" wouldn't play a negra... So I plead guilty on all 4 counts, count 1, being a Pegheds fan, count 2, the misuse of a "real mans guitar", count 3, misrepresentation of a flamenco guitar by owning 1 negra, and unlawful ownership of said negra which cohabitates with 3 blancas, and count 4, holding exact tuning to a high importance.
Until I buy each player his or her guitar, I won't tell them what appointments it should have... Perhaps a 5th count should be added for that?
I happened to know that Fred Sanford is one of the biggest fans of Pegheds. I guess he aint a "real man" either, though he could play most anyone under the table... Along with countless others... So if you are going to start a peg war, I don't know that I can help back you up... I don't mind the banter, but some of these fellows may get a little riled about all of this... But what the heck, we haven't had a thread which challenged peoples masculinity and manhood in a while... Maybe its about time to get a good bash going... That is if you have the time for it. I don't mind a little crap slinging to take us into the weekend if you don't. The thread has served its purpose and now we can just run it into the ground and waste a bunch of time and bandwidth. After all that's what this place is all about right? I mean, no one would want to learn anything or be productive... That would just be to much, it should be about drama and not the guitar... After all, who ever would want to play the guitar when you could spend time putting down the choices of others which has nothing to do with you. Yeah, thanks for all the help...
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Date Apr. 3 2012 19:42:06
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Shawn Brock
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From: Louisville KY
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RE: Thoughts on the different styles... (in reply to Shawn Brock)
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For anyone who may have been interested, I installed the 8 MM Ramirez style Pegheds on my Castillo this weekend. I was all set up with a violin guy to help me out, but he had to be out of town unexpectedly for the next week.
I ordered a violin reamer from LMI for $40 and did it all on my own... I had originally went to some of the hardware stores and had even picked up a cheep reamer. That idea was soon scrapped once I started calculating the amount of taper on these cheap reamers. The amount of taper isn't provided on the package of these cheap reamers... I'm not saying you couldn't do the job with a $3.00 reamer from Harbor Freight Tools, but I elected not to take that chance, and would recommend to use a good reamer...
The Pegheds look and work great. The job was easy enough, and after fitting the first peg I marked the reamer, this sped up the job a lot. Everything went smooth, and I want to especially thank Anders and Peter for the great input on this thread. This weekend I'm going to install a set of Pegheds on one of my fiddles, and while that job will be just a little more complex, I feel quite comfortable doing it. I may be the new Pegheds man of Las Vegas, a friend has ordered a set for me to put in his guitar. Gosh , maybe I should become a dealer in these things?
This weekend reminded me of how much I have always wanted to build a guitar, just to say that I did it... I have assembled some electrics before from kits, but that's not building... I don't think that I would ever want to start from scratch, but maybe this will finely be the year I order a kit from LMI and give it a go. Not that my build would ever be worth a damn, but it would sure be a lot of fun! Its a little hard to justify spending $500 for an LMI kit when I see these $1500 Montalvo Guitars going for $200/300 on EBay... But I would sure love to make it a project...
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