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noly

 

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Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) 

FLAMENCOSIS making of the work of the Sevillian Manuel Soto "Noly"



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 9 2012 14:46:22
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

That's a strange name. Anything with the word "osis" at the end, refers to a disease.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 9 2012 17:23:34
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

It's true! "osis" is a possibly termination concerning to disease...but!

In Spain we call "GUASA"(joke/laugh) that which is ironic.

Flamencosis is a fanciful term that means: Person abducted by the flamenco ... but positively.

... And that's how I feel, because since I was born until today, in my land Seville,
the flamenco is all around me, chasing me, catch me, and my fight from here is anyone confuse the authentic, with music that does not root and demand has labeled flamenco.

I am sorry for my English...

Saludos desde Sevilla.
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to El_Tortuga

quote:

Anything with the word "osis" at the end, refers to a disease.

Yes like Hypnosis....or .metamorphosis......perhaps its a misdiagnOSIS,,,,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 9 2012 19:48:11
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Ahh, Rico you're right. Flamencosis is more like flamenco hypnosis!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 10 2012 15:42:51
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Sorry my English explanation as to "osis" ... certainly there are many words ending in "osis" and are not disease ...

I want to understand, a vision of flamenco from someone who has in his DNA but progressive.

Flamenco in Spain, was frowned upon at the time of the Franco dictatorship (1936-1975) recognized artists were counted on the fingers of one hand and always next to the regime, has been an art damaged and only recognized outside Spain, even the Paco de Lucia was beaten for saying on television that the left hand was the creative and the right hand that executes, was referring to the guitar.

Would have much to say about this time of transition, telling you all this, because in Spain we can not remain static, stagnant water that rots, we here open to the outside with new initiatives, is a root culture is not yet known in their own country.

For example, in Japan there are seven times more rooms dedicated to flamenco in Spain ... and I can continue to count data, anecdotes etc.

I show an example in a video seen how bad it was flamenco and especially women, in a Buñuel film, about the reality of a stage of Spain ... I will continue telling more things.

And I apologize for my English

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2012 8:17:38
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Wow nude alegrias! That's the first i have heard about that

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2012 9:05:35
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Anyone has some nude bulerias?

My intent is purely educational, I want to compare both palos
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I show an example in a video seen how bad it was flamenco and especially women, in a Buñuel film, about the reality of a stage of Spain ... I will continue telling more things.

holy ****! I never heard of such things, can you continue telling us more?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2012 14:08:00
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Hola noly,

Thank you for posting this video. Your English is better than my Spanish

It was very sad to see the nude Alegrías, even though she is very good looking.

It could be argued that dancing nude was better or "less evil" than having sex with any of those men... but if this kind of thing did happen often in Spain, well that's very sad indeed.

I think that in life, you always have a choice.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2012 14:49:04
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Obviously, these images of the film is based on the idea of ​​a script for a film of Buñuel ,in Spain in the years of dictatorship, flamenco was considered something for the holidays of the "gentlemen" (Señoritos) and not well seen, except for especially flamenco festivals were made in Andalucia, Extremadura and later in Catalonia (Cataluña) where many Andalusians emigrated.

In tablaos usual after work, hire artists to private parties (still does), what happens and what they want to invent is another issue, today women who are dedicated to flamenco are respected, which formerly sexism that prevailed during the dictatorship was in a high percentage and a woman was considered an object of amusement.

The image "Kitsch" that precedes democracy is not improved, and what matters is the image of a Spain of "castanet and tambourine", to which the party of the Bulls is linked with flamenco too ... nothing do with today's idea, which most people are against animal abuse in Barcelona bullfights are banned, and soon the rest of Spain ... I hope.

The guitar has evolved even try confunfir outside Spain's flamenco roots with flamenco plastic (commercial music with hints of flamenco) that make artists like Ottmar Liebert, Benise, Lara & Reyes, etc ... but it is another issue to discuss.

In Spain Flamenco dance halls are few, most are rooms rumbas and flamenco dancers, as they are for an audience involved, to see real flamenco go to exclusive sites of pure flamenco.

To immerse yourself Flamenco go to the root of where born ... Spain, just as if you want to know Cuban music go to Cuba or Argentina Tango internet ... but now closer to know a culture but we can not smell it.

Sorry by english traduction...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2012 18:48:41
 
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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

I have been to Sevilla and Jerez. I studied in Sevilla with Juan del Gastor and Miguel Aragón. This was in 1999. I tried again to get $$$ to travel to Sevilla, but I had no luck.

Back then, it was easier to travel. Now, so many years have passed, I am a father and husband, and it's harder to travel. But I have been lucky because some flamencos have been visiting Canada, and some live here too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2012 19:36:30
 
noly

 

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RE: Flamencosis from Sevilla (Making-of) (in reply to noly

Things have changed a lot ten years now, there is less room flamenco, and the worker must move or do something else, there are fewer records Flamenco singers because ... with piracy, companies disappear and fewer recording artists, there are fewer opportunities and less material, that in the negative.
On a positive note, saying that flamenco has evolved through the efforts of foreign companies have invested in shows and recording artists, though flamenco is intangible heritage of humanity, are the people who are dedicated to this art that should be in the window and not the institutions that profit and manage investments, grants and subsidies from Spain, for the artist is very difficult.
An example, Bienal de Sevilla ... be on the poster is a lottery, there is no democratic structure you choose the artists, and those who are, for 6 months preparing a show that hopefully will make 2 presentations only ... quality or favoritism ?

We know who are the best artists of today (though we have different tastes each) they are also victim of the crisis that Spain is going, it is ironic that 60 years after having traveled the world and you deserve a place of break in your land, your family, back in Spain abroad because there are no opportunities.
I put a video of the Biennial of 1984, they have devoted their life to flamenco, as they are today there are more artists working at that age, but never have traded for it, because his work has never been recognized, there are no entities that help the elderly to recognize their work because they could not prove it, because there was little they earned to register for social security and meet the needs side ... I would like to expand on this aspect, ever will ... and so are recognized.

Sorry for my translation to English ...

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