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BarkellWH
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 RE: Third Person Flamencos (in reply to estebanana)
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Lone Ranger had disguised himself as a door. Tonto, not knowing this, shot his knob off.
Cheers,
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Date Mar. 1 2012 10:48:16
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Estevan
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From: Torontolucía
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RE: Third Person Flamencos (in reply to Ron.M)
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Maybe what Anders was meaning was talking directly to someone, but in the 3rd person?
eg.. if I say to you, "So what's Estevan up to today?" (rather than what are YOU)
No, he was referring to putting a definite article before the person's name when talking about them, which at first glance seems to make them into objects but, as he says, is actually quite friendly. Ages ago when I played with chilenos I got used to being referred to as "El Estív"..."Mira weón, como toca El Estív - suena super bien/la cagada". "Chucha weón, El Estív es mas latino que los latinos, siempre llega atrasao"...etc.
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dont forget the polite form of You (Usted ) and the third person verb with it ,,even if the "Ustd" is not said it can be implied in the verb alone ,,depending on region of course ...
Sure, but Sr. Shea was wondering about the way that "flamencos often refer to themselves in the third person when speaking in interviews and that the interviewers themselves often frame their questions as such. Instead of “How do you feel about whatzit?”
So, following that pattern I would ask you "Tell us about Rico Kiko's practice routine" and you would answer, as if you were talking about someone else "In the morning, after having his coffee, Rico Kiko likes to walk through Havana with his cigar lit; then he sits on a bench with a newspaper and looks like a millionaire..."
It's not totally unusual for an interviewer to use the third person in English when asking a question of a famous person, usually just at the beginning of an interview to get things started, but it's generally only psycopathic dictators and others with delusions of grandeur or perhaps schizophrenia who would talk about themselves that way.
So says Estevan. (At least, that's what he told me).
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Date Mar. 1 2012 18:12:57
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srshea
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From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest
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RE: Third Person Flamencos (in reply to srshea)
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As usual, Estevan is picking up what I was trying to put down. Sorry for any confusion, but this is what I was getting at:
This third person thing happens all the time in Rito y Geografia interviews (and usually with older, “figura” types, so maybe it’s an old guy thing…), but I can’t think of any off the top of my head and don’t have the time to search for any of those occurrences on youtube (If I come across any I’ll post one.) But here are a couple of random examples from print interviews that I happen to have bookmarked here:
Interviewing Lebriajano, the interviewer frequently frames the questions like so:
“What does El Lebrijano have in store for us?” (¿Cual es la próxima sorpresa que nos guarda el Lebrijano?)
Or:
“A lot of people today believe cante has lost its direction. What does El Lebrijano find lacking?” (¿qué echa de menos El Lebrijano ahora?)
http://www.deflamenco.com/revista/pagina.jsp?codigo=2244
Skimming over the interview it looks like he answers all the questions like a normal, non-split personality type guy, so this is just an example of an interviewer speaking in this (to me) affected sort of way.
In this interview with Menese a series of questions about his background are finally answered like this:
“I started out at the Bar Central, just a kid, and they used to talk about cante, they sang some…that’s where José Menese came from.” (…de allí salió José Menese.)
http://www.deflamenco.com/entrevistas/josemenese/index.jsp
So, that’s what I mean as an example of someone referring to themselves in the third person. Instead of one guy saying "What do you think of this?" and the other guys saying "This is what I think of this." you get this oddly formal sort of discourse. It can all sound a bit “grand” and affected, but I’ve also come to appreciate it as part of the way some of these guys talk. And it seems to go beyond the basic sort of language conventions that I’m familiar with (“tu” versus “usted”, or using honorifics like “senor” or “Don” when speaking to an older, respected person) so I was just curious if there was actually any specific language or cultural roots to this, or if it’s just your garden-variety, pumped up pomposity……
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Date Mar. 1 2012 18:56:52
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: Third Person Flamencos (in reply to Estevan)
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Rico Kiko likes to walk through Havana with his cigar lit; then he sits on a bench with a newspaper and looks like a millionaire..."
Ahh you know me so well .... dont forget about the white suit ......
Anyway I had a look around and loads of people do it that you know .....
How about Cavemen , you cant talk like a caveman in the first person can you ?/
This is apparently known as HULK SPEAK .....Favored words in the Hulkspeak include "Smash", "Puny", and "Blank-thing" (e.g. "HULK SMASH PUNY LIZARD THING!" when fighting a velociraptor). Yes, the all-caps is necessary.
More stuff you know .....Mongo from the Mel Brooks film Blazing Saddles,....
The King Julian in Madagascar.
Actually what I was looking for was a character called BOB in an comedy series BECKER he always referred to himself as BOB, anyone remember him?
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"Don" or at least "Estimado (a) Señor (a) in each and every post and speaking to each other in only the third person. thats just to be formal , if you were to start writing a formal letter , to a bank Manager for example , you could start.... Muy Señor mio.....etc...
Anyway Kiko go sleep now ,, save energy ... sleep good .. alchol bad ......ZZZzzzzzz
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