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n85ae
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 RE: The gift of pain (in reply to rombsix)
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Todd -
Your Doc probably is right btw. it probably is just tendonitis. Try to
remember, healing isn't a quick fix situation.
No need to apologize. I'd say your issue is you're trying to cram 10 years
right hand development into 1 year to catch up with you left hand.
Which is NOT going to happen. It takes time for muscle's and tendons
to develop. You can pick like a demon, but you don't have the right hand
developed from working it for years like a normal Flamenco guitar player.
So you're pushing it too hard and it's breaking down.
It seemed obvious that you got an atitude about doing it the normal way
(with fingers) but way super fast, like you were trying to make this point,
when you dropped the pick, that you could have super right hand technique
in just a short time. The trap is, since your left hand and mind can go to
the speed, you just forced the issue, but your hand simply isn't ready.
If your hand does recover take it as a lesson learned. It's not a race.
Regards,
Jeff
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You're right! Sorry. I did go to the doctor, just not a good one apparently.
I apologize for the drama. I come here for moral support. I feel better
talking to friends.
Again i apologize.
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Date Dec. 31 2011 2:36:51
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ToddK
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RE: The gift of pain (in reply to n85ae)
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quote:
Todd -
Your Doc probably is right btw. it probably is just tendonitis. Try to
remember, healing isn't a quick fix situation.
No need to apologize. I'd say your issue is you're trying to cram 10 years
right hand development into 1 year to catch up with you left hand.
Which is NOT going to happen. It takes time for muscle's and tendons
to develop. You can pick like a demon, but you don't have the right hand
developed from working it for years like a normal Flamenco guitar player.
So you're pushing it too hard and it's breaking down.
It seemed obvious that you got an atitude about doing it the normal way
(with fingers) but way super fast, like you were trying to make this point,
when you dropped the pick, that you could have super right hand technique
in just a short time. The trap is, since your left hand and mind can go to
the speed, you just forced the issue, but your hand simply isn't ready.
If your hand does recover take it as a lesson learned. It's not a race.
Regards,
Jeff
What brought this on was actually less practice time, and going too hard
when i did have time. Not forcing anything on purpose.
You seem angry with me, and im not sure why. I apologize if i ever
said things to offend you in any way.
I really just want my hand to be ok, so i can keep doing what i love.
Im not interested in proving anything to anybody.
Thank Jeff
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Date Dec. 31 2011 2:46:46
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RE: The gift of pain (in reply to ToddK)
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Really sorry to hear about the ailment Todd.
Some good advice here and really have not much to offer that has'nt been said.
But wishing you a speedy recovery and a healthy mind set...understanding this must be incredibly emotionally draining.
All the best.
A
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Date Dec. 31 2011 6:56:56
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mrMagenta
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From: Sweden
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RE: The gift of pain (in reply to rombsix)
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Because we're sharing similar difficulties I can go on a bit about what I've found to give me relief.. I don't think there is a silver bullet to these things, but...
Ice massage seems to give some relief when the tendon gets irritated. Use common sense, move the ice around so you don't freeze the skin. Cooling gels with menthol also seem to ease the irritation. I use theese after I have done something that kicks on the irritation.
Contrast baths feel good too. Espacially if you end with cold, let it rest for a while, then apply a topical heating gel, something with capsaicin and camphor. Again.. these things feel good. I would like to think they speed up recovery.. but who knows. Might not do anything.. still. It feels somehow proactive to do these things. And relieves pain.
What believe might have the most effect is whole body exercise. Doing something that increases pulse and sweating etc. Increased circulation probably helps speed up recovery. Same rational as for contast baths and topical heating gels, but I think exercise must be more effective. Just don't do motions that cause irritation.
At night, we tend to sleep with our wrists bent, which can be bad for tendonitis etc. For me there's distinctly more pain if I don't fix the wrist at night. I either wrap my hand and wrist using elastic wrapping, how to do it can be found on othopedic videos, or use an orthopedic thumb-base brace.. I alternate, because each gets uncomfortable in some way..
The best topical creams I've found so far are, Golden Cup Balm from Thailand, and Ice Power from Finland. But these products are usually very similar..
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Date Dec. 31 2011 12:44:40
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: The gift of pain (in reply to ToddK)
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Todd,
I just came here and found this post of yours, because a friend who had wanted to take lessons with you told me you had hurt your hand. My reply to him was, "He was probably overdoing the picado, right?" :(
Back when I was accumulating my impressive post-count here, I was practicing picado anywhere from 2-4 hours a day. Actually, what I was doing was playing the lines from Panaderos Flamencos over and over again with a metronome, always trying to go higher and higher. I used a lot of ibuprofen during this time. My wife had bought one of those giant ibuprofen bottles from Costco and was shocked one time to find it empty!
I managed to get a nasty case of tendinitis in the m finger. Because I was already getting a lot of gigs, this became a serious problem. My solution was to refinger all my pieces to avoid m nearly completely and use a, instead. Did you know you can play Recuerdos del Alhambra without your middle finger? The middle joint of that finger was visibly enlarged and it always hurt. At the time, we were getting our house ready to sell, and every bit of handiwork I did exacerbated the problem. Although I was able to play my music without the middle finger, that joint never really got better, as its sympathetic movement did not allow it to properly rest.
You are already scared, I am sure, but let me tell you about a local rumbero here, who is my age. He was known for playing very hard, and I may have related the story on the foro about his borrowing my Vicente Carrillo and managing to break a string in only one song, right before I was supposed to go on for a little concert! In any case, years later, he has had 7 surgeries on his right hand due to tendinitis and related problems. He had trigger finger and the fingers would get stuck sometimes while playing, too.
As for me, my tendinitis went away after I stopped practicing picado. I have been studying classical the last several years, and it has been easier on my hands. Part of it has been a significant de-emphasis on trying to acquire virtuosic technique. It's hard to do that in flamenco, when nearly every cut has someone ripping out brilliant, scintillating picado runs, which acts as a siren-song to many of us guitarists. Classical guitarists get plenty of hand injuries too, though--I know two local gigging CGers who have had major, permanent damage--tremolo might be the main culprit!
Todd, it sounds like have been scared straight and are taking the necessary precautions to stop damaging yourself and getting healed. If you put the same dedication and energy into getting at the root of the problem and solving it, I have no doubt you will solve it. I wish you the best and--can you believe that someone, a very good guitarist himself, told me he thought you were the best guitarist in the world? Our little Todd! :) Get well soon!!!
PS: A brand new Shelton-Farretta guitar showed up on my doorstep a couple of weeks ago. I have to admit my hands are a little sore... I better be careful!
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Date Feb. 29 2012 4:29:55
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ToddK
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RE: The gift of pain (in reply to rombsix)
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Miguel, wow man! You dissappeared for so long, i was wondering
if i'd ever hear from you again.
So great to hear you're still kickin'! :)
Those are some wise words. I have been away from the guitar for
2 months now, and in therapy 3 times a week. I made the decision from
day 1 to fight this injury full on, and not screw around.
So, im doing just that. ITs taken all the discipline and mental strength i have
to stay away from playing, and to do my exercises and stretches everyday.
But thank God, its working.
At this point, i am in zero pain, and feel much stronger than before because
of all the therapy, which is mainly strength training.
So i am very very happy with where i am.
I'm starting to play a bit this week and its going great. I have just changed my
approach.
I dont play without doing some stretching and cardio workout first.
No playing if my hands are cold.
No playing for more than 15 minutes without a break. 15 on, 10 off.
No spending more than 1 minute on a single technique.
For the next month, no isolated picado practice.
I know that if i stick to my workouts, and practice rules, i will absolutely be ok.
My grip strength is so much better now, and its amazing the difference i feel
in the right hand. Cant believe i didnt discover this before.
Im so incredibly happy to be on the other side of this, and knowing in my heart that will be able to play for many years to come.
I pray and thank God every single day for that great gift, and i will NEVER take
anything for granted again.
Take care of that middle knuckle Miguel!!!! Do whatever you have to do.
I wish you the best man!
Saludos!
TK
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