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Pawo

 

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Horquilla anyone? 
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It uses the "horquilla" technique he pioneered, a type of arpegio where you use "am" together, then i and p so you have a triplet phrase.

I've started working on the challenge falsetta Ricardo posted but am struggling with this horquilla technique . Normal triplet p - ami arpeggios seem easy compared to this....but I can't really figure out why it should be more difficult than normal arps....I mean your kind of in a way using less fingers

Ricardo or anyone...I would appreciate any pointers how to practice it....I can't seem to get any speed up with it..... the"am" start to spread the notes when I go faster...it's also hard to use bass rest strokes with this technique....seems easier with free stroke bass....
The syncopated rhythm I'm finding the easiest to get down....it sounds good to me with normal arpeggio but painstakingly awkward when using this horquilla technique

You're probably not allowed to ask for help in the challenge....but I'd thought to ask anyway

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Ricardo

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Pawo) 
Tape a and m together? Lol just kidding don't do that.
Try just pluck am alone opposite bass notes rest stroked.
But swing it so it has a triplet feel. In the actual falseta you
Don't have to rest all the pulgar strokes, but some of them
is ideal.

I knew the falseta is trickier then it sounds that's why I
picked.
Old school flamenco might seem simpler musically
then modern stuff , but has lots of tricks up the sleeve.
Incidentally I heard of n. Ricardo pioneering it but the
technique was used by Ramon Montoya quite a bit too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2012 18:14:07
 
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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Ricardo - what's up with breaking your sentences after every few words, starting on a new line, and capitalizing that first word of each line?

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to rombsix) 
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Ricardo - what's up with breaking your sentences after every few words, starting on a new line, and capitalizing that first word of each line?


Letras

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2012 18:25:11
 
Ricardo

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to rombsix) 
Damn iPhone texting sorry
I am a good typist so this one finger **** plus spel cheque pisses me off

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2012 18:38:56
 
Pawo

 

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Thanks for this....I suppose it'll come sooner or later but maybe not by March 31st

It just occured to me that I remember there being some similar arpeggio fingerings in the Guilanni 120 arpeggio studies...where you use am fingers .....topgethjer...sorry that's me typing using the horquilla method

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to rombsix) 
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Ricardo - what's up with breaking your sentences after every few words, starting on a new line, and capitalizing that first word of each line?


That's the way poetry is written. Also Shakespearean dialogue.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2012 19:58:43
 
bluesbuster

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Pawo) 
... nevermind, I thought you said "Tequilla"
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Adam

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
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ORIGINAL: Prominent Critic

quote:

Ricardo - what's up with breaking your sentences after every few words, starting on a new line, and capitalizing that first word of each line?


That's the way poetry is written. Also Shakespearean dialogue.

Ramon


Yes, this is relevant because Ricardo is clearly writing in iambic pentameter.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2012 1:13:01
 
vigrond

 

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Pawo) 
it is interesting to note that Horquilla means pitchfork in Spanish
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2012 1:32:22
 
Ricardo

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to vigrond) 
But the kind of fork used to pin up girls hair is implied
Point being you have the 3 prongs to make arps

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2012 12:50:33
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Pawo) 
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ORIGINAL: Pawo

Ricardo or anyone...I would appreciate any pointers how to practice it....I can't seem to get any speed up with it..... the"am" start to spread the notes when I go faster...it's also hard to use bass rest strokes with this technique....seems easier with free stroke bass....
The syncopated rhythm I'm finding the easiest to get down....it sounds good to me with normal arpeggio but painstakingly awkward when using this horquilla technique



Slow and steady wins the race. I am recording a couple examples for you to try. Rumba and Soleá, slow then fast. I'll upload it when it's ready.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2012 13:46:13
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Pawo) 
Ok, here's an mp3 file of the horquilla technique I recorded (Capo III) in this order:

Rumba - slow
Rumba - normal
Soleá - slow
Soleá - normal

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2419037/Music/horquilla-examples-Rumba-Solea.mp3

And here's the PDF:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2419037/Music/Horquilla-Technique-Examples.pdf

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2012 14:16:21
 
El_Tortuga

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to Ricardo) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Tape a and m together? Lol just kidding don't do that. Try just pluck am alone opposite bass notes rest stroked. But swing it so it has a triplet feel. In the actual falseta you don't have to rest all the pulgar strokes, but some of them is ideal.

I knew the falseta is trickier then it sounds that's why I picked.
Old school flamenco might seem simpler musically then modern stuff , but has lots of tricks up the sleeve. Incidentally I heard of n. Ricardo pioneering it but the technique was used by Ramon Montoya quite a bit too.


Actually, it is sort of like your m and a fingers are glued together LOL at least that's how I think of it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2012 17:00:21
 
Pawo

 

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RE: Horquilla anyone? (in reply to El_Tortuga) 
Thanks very much for this El_Tortuga!

Over the last few weeks of practice the technique has become a lot easier...I can play the challenge falseta at the slower 80 bpm version comfortably....but don't think I'll can get any where near the faster speed Ricardo demonstrated. I'm just trying to make the 'am' notes ring out clearly and this I find easier at slower tempos.

Thanks again for the practice tunes
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