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RE: What's your favorite flamenco guitar technique?
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
abanico is a rasguado technique... so its included. Could you imagine that someone likes single i down strokes most? I could not..so all rasguados together is okay as it is i think.
Abanico is actually also my favourite. =) But a i p ai p ..because it starts with love. hehe
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to Elie)
I am thinking of a whirl done e.g. p,m,p, which besides complys with the terms meaning ( abanico = fan ), and has little to do with the trickling down of rasgueados.
Just because it being common to count abanico under rasgueados, it mustn´t mean distinguished categorizing in the same time. - Certainly not the way I see it.
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ORIGINAL: Elie
nop not really, but I don't like abancio .... at all
It takes its time. Took me ages - without being through yet. Looks as if well angled and steered passive finger/s & thumb might be the ticket. Definitly working better than the active shooting I had accustomed to first.
I love it when warmed up. You can then selectively hit the basses or just the low E for crazy tremolo or, naturally, all of the strings.
Doitsujin,
unrestingly trying to throw sticks into spokes, huh. Tell me more. >yawn<
I am waiting to see a post of yours that would be focussed, enriched or even just passionate, but it appears from the distance as if you felt like a mellow can rolling down a hill of indifference.
I wonder how you raised the interest to stick to a focus-commanding engagement like guitar playing. Did it feel envogue to do, or was it because the chicks liking it?
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to Ruphus)
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus as if you felt like a mellow can rolling down a hill of indifference.
looooooool, that was one of the best dissings/disses? ive ever heard. If that was a facebook post, i would have liked it. Anyway in this regard Doit is of course right. Abanico is rasgeado, just like any type of strumming. You would get it if you had done dance accompaniment.
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to Ruphus)
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I am thinking of a whirl done e.g. p,m,p, which besides complys with the terms meaning ( abanico = fan ), and has little to do with the trickling down of rasgueados.
Just because it being common to count abanico under rasgueados, it mustn´t mean distinguished categorizing in the same time. - Certainly not the way I see it.
With all due respect to you, Ruphus, and the other members taking part in this discussion with you, I will have to cite a very credible source:
In Oscar Herrero's Paso a Paso Volume 1 instructional DVD (mostly about technique), he talks about the two categories I mentioned above:
1- Rasgueados without using the thumb (ami, iai, etc.) 2- Rasgueados that involve using the thumb (pmp, pai, peami, etc.)
Another thing he mentions is that the peami combination is what is referred to as the "abanico." However, I've heard other reliable sources call the "Marote" type rasgueados as "abanicos" as well.
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
I'm a late comer to flamenco and I've been at it less than two years--starting after my 40th birthday, which is pretty late, I suspect. Also, I haven't been completely focused on it because I love playing bluegrass still and continue to perform locally, so I have to practice that, as well.
But my wife is a flamenco dancer, dance historian, and professor, so I do have some motivation and guidance, at least.
As a guitar player of 20+ years, I would have to say that I'll always remember the first time I watched a Sabicas youtube video and heard his tremolo. To me, that was just magnificent. I voted tremolo.
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
Ricardo,
I remember seeing a bit of Gerardo Nunez Encuentro DVD. He demonstrated the technique you are talking about. As I recall he referred to it as "alzapua antigua". My Spanish isn't very good but from what I could understand he was saying that this was how alzapua was done before. He even showed a few falsettas played the old way and the new way. It sounds pretty cool!
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
You've got 'golpe' on the list, but I think a separate category should be listed for the classic hybrid technique of: downstroke-golpe-with-the-index-finger-above-the-strings-followed-by-an-upstroke-flick-of-the-thumb. How else are you going to end the Taranta?
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to machopicasso)
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You've got 'golpe' on the list, but I think a separate category should be listed for the classic hybrid technique of: downstroke-golpe-with-the-index-finger-above-the-strings-followed-by-an-upstroke-flick-of-the-thumb. How else are you going to end the Taranta?
Yeah, I would say that is called capirote, and it goes under golpe too (as per Oscar Herrero).
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RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to NenadK)
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ORIGINAL: NenadK
Ricardo,
I remember seeing a bit of Gerardo Nunez Encuentro DVD. He demonstrated the technique you are talking about. As I recall he referred to it as "alzapua antigua". My Spanish isn't very good but from what I could understand he was saying that this was how alzapua was done before. He even showed a few falsettas played the old way and the new way. It sounds pretty cool!
N
Well, He is my teacher and I respect his point, they are two different techniques to make essentially the same types of music passages or melodic phrasings with bass lines as per HIS demonstration. But it is a bit misleading because Ramon Montoya did both techniques....so the term "antigua" is not totally true. I think most modern players would opt for the Alzapua for these passages (and that goes along with Nuñez point of it being "old school" to do it ppi), but still you can't literally do say what M. Morao was doing in that vid I loaded with only thumb alzapua....you just can't.
The Parilla one I showed is a little different and yeah you could try to sub alzapua for that and it could work because it is just triplets (although ppi affords you more speed then alzapua with just thumb), and Nuñez was doing more of parrilla style specific rather then general "old school"...but the M. morao version is more complex and seems to deserve it's own place as a unique technique IMO. Moraito and Diego del Morao both hint at what M. Morao was doing, but it is usually just short references to it rather then note for note interpretations like we have with all the alzapua phrases, going back as far as Montoya, M. de Huelva, Melchor Sabicas Ricardo etc....
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to Elie)
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lol Ramzi ente tle3et wa7ed mo bas NASSAB !! bas wa7ed az3ar we razeel kaman hahahahaha cheeers my friend lol hal marra ente faratetnii
That is the high-school teacher of my friend. They used to give him prank calls in the middle of the night, and one day, he decided to retaliate. They recorded this while he was going crazy over the phone.
3a fikra, check out my thread in the off-topic section about the internet. There is a chance the Pirates of the Caribbean might be in jeopardy...
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
See, and this is why my mom won't let me have Lebanese and Palestinian friends, because they ALL talk like that! True story, when I was about 16 or 17, I started going to an Antiochian Orthodox church, because the Sunday services were MUCH shorter than the Coptic Orthodox church, which was FOUR hours long. Anyhow, it was a majority Lebanese and Palestinian congregation, so that's when I started meeting my first non-Egyptian friends. When I would invite my new Arab buddies to my house, all my mom could hear was them cussing like that all the time, so she banned them forever!
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RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to FlamencoEgipcio)
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See, and this is why my mom won't let me have Lebanese and Palestinian friends, because they ALL talk like that! True story, when I was about 16 or 17, I started going to an Antiochian Orthodox church, because the Sunday services were MUCH shorter than the Coptic Orthodox church, which was FOUR hours long. Anyhow, it was a majority Lebanese and Palestinian congregation, so that's when I started meeting my first non-Egyptian friends. When I would invite my new Arab buddies to my house, all my mom could hear was them cussing like that all the time, so she banned them forever!
We're good people man. You should come visit Lebanon. Just make sure not to go meet up with Abou-Ali when he's under the hashish effect.
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RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
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ORIGINAL: rombsix
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But I guess that doesn't count as a separate technic on its own?
Check with Ricardo.
Vicente does some arpegio apoyando which is pretty unique...but just ami ami ami stuff. Conversely, there are picados done more like tremolo technique again ami ami ami but done tirando. For sure both of these deserve individual consideration rather then lumped in with either "picado" or "arpegio" alone.
we have even saw what I could call "rasgueado picado" where they strum with fingers but play individual scale notes like picado.
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to ashod)
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Jeezus, now I get it... I prefer not to even try it out
I can't do it as well as Jero, but trust me, it's not super hard. Just rest your pulgar on the B (second) string, thereby muting it, and not allowing access to strings 3, 4, 5, and 6. Then play only on the FIRST (high E) string with "i" and "m" doing a rasgueado as follows:
m down i down m up i up
And keep that rasgueado rolling. You will get the effect of a fast tremolo (or alternate picking with a plectrum) on the first string. You can then do stuff with your left hand.
I tell you, it's hard to get it to sound exactly like Jero did it here, but you can get something close which still sounds cool and can be useful.
RE: What's your favorite flamenco gu... (in reply to rombsix)
Thanks for the explanation Ramzi.
I actually already know that rasgueado technic! But I didn't know/see/understand that that's what he was doing there. Interesting way of using it indeed. He does get that "violent" tone that is proper to his strength and accuracy though.
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