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Elie

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Universidad de Granada

Hello mates,

Hope you’re all fine and doing great, merry Christmas and happy holidays.
I will talk briefly not to bore you

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I’m a university student who is studying informatics engineering -undergraduate, fourth year- Still I have 1 and a half year to graduate … the European Commission has funded a scholarships programme and my university is involved as a partner in this programme … I was asked to apply to this programme and I have a good AGPA … the scholarship is 2 semesters and the students who apply now will be selected on July/2012 I guess … anyway I was excited to see that I can apply to a Spanish university called Universidad de Granada so maybe beside my studies I can enroll in a flamenco school or maybe take lessons from a teacher etc ....

I think it will be a nice experience in general … but still I have my fears.
Foro members who lives in granada what do you think about that uni? is it good? strong education system? does it have a good reputation?
I have a friend in Barcelona who told me that situation in Spain is not very good economical and maybe it’s not very good to go there.

Anyway what do you think guys? any advises because I'm kinda lost?

cheers and thank you mates !!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2011 20:27:30

Rmn

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

it's simple; if you want to go for your curriculum vitae. go to Delft, Holland or Germany or Uk. if you wanna go for flamenco go to Granada

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2011 23:54:27

rombsix

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Rmn)

quote:

it's simple; if you want to go for your curriculum vitae. go to Delft, Holland or Germany or Uk. if you wanna go for flamenco go to Granada

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 0:56:55

kudo

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Rmn)

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it's simple; if you want to go for your curriculum vitae. go to Delft, Holland or Germany or Uk. if you wanna go for flamenco go to Granada

LOL

Elie, I dont know what informatics engineering is, never heard of it before. so I really cant help you with this.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 1:13:44

rombsix

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to kudo)

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informatics engineering

I reckon that means computer engineering.

Considering IT = Information Technology = computer stuff.

I was right!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatics_engineering

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 1:21:18

rogeliocan

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Rmn)

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it's simple; if you want to go for your curriculum vitae. go to Delft, Holland or Germany or Uk. if you wanna go for flamenco go to Granada

Funny comment but there is truth in that thought. If you have good marks, you should go to a University that is recognized as a good one for that program. It will look better on you resume plus, being your last year, it's probably better to focus on that than on flamenco, especially with the state of the economy.

I am surprised that your University did not give you the rating of the one in Granada, they should be able to tell you where they rank for the program. My son just came back from a semester in Warwick and, he has top marks and they actually told him to go there because he had the grades for it. It was not one of his choices.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 1:59:14

Kate

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

I was given an Erasmus grant to study abroad for a year back in 97. i chose to come to Granada. I loved it so much I never left. In my , no doubt biased, opinion it is an excellent university, one of the oldest in Europe, with a good reputation in fields such as science and medical research, though I have no idea about informatics engineering.

There is also a course in flamenco at the UNiversity. I have been to a few of these lectures which were really interesting though its an academic course they are not teaching you how to play or dance. Still you will find a flamenco teacher with no problem, and many other guitar students to hang out with. Carmen Las Cuevas is a good place to enroll for a class and meet people. Granada is very much a University town with a very good student social life.

The economic situation is bad all over Europe and Andalucia has always suffered high unemployment as its economy is based on tourism and agriculture, both seasonal work, however as a student this should not affect you. in fact i may help as rents and cost of living are low here.

I think it sounds like an amazing opportunity wherever you decide to go.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 5:27:12

XXX

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Rmn)

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ORIGINAL: Rmn

it's simple; if you want to go for your curriculum vitae. go to Delft, Holland or Germany or Uk. if you wanna go for flamenco go to Granada

Does Germany have really that much of a reputation that it doesnt matter which university you go as long as it is in "Germany"?
Dont know anything about Granada, but we have an increasing number of Spanish students saying the situation in Spain is really bad. But since you are being funded for the most part, maybe that wouldnt affect you that much.
I really would make sure i can speak Spanish well enough before going there, it seems to be very important as i was told.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 12:31:58

kudo

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

Elie to be completely honest with you, I know that Granada sounds very tempting, but for engineering purposes, (because Im an engineer too) , GERMANY IS THE #1 IN ENGINEERING. theres no question or doubt about that, they are very well known for that! infact, I WISHED to go to GERMANY for engineering, but language was the problem for me, as Im not good at learning languages. german language is harder than spanish.
if you manage to get german engineering on your education, you are GOLDEN! I can garauntee you that!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 12:36:14

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

Elie, imo you should definitely go to Granada! you will love it there!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 13:02:29

Pimientito

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Kate)

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The economic situation is bad all over Europe .... in fact it may help as rents and cost of living are low here

I agree. There isnt much work but you can rent a place very cheaply now. I agree with Rmn. Granada is a big university but it doesnt have the same status as a northern European university. If you want flamenco though, then come to Granada.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 13:10:36

Escribano

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

Going there to study Spanish is one thing but I was not impressed with the level of computer engineering in that area.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 13:31:46

kudo

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

from what i can see, is that if you want flamenco and spanish more than engineering, then granada is the way. but if you want engineering , even going to a university in the UK, is still stronger and much better for your career. think about it, if you go to the UK, you can easily fly to spain ANYTIME, it would be very cheap!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 14:48:02

rombsix

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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Elie, imo you should definitely go to Granada! you will love it there!

You rebel, you!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 16:51:44

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to rombsix)

that's the choice i would make, based on my experiences and my habit of taking risks in life...also i strongly feel that erasmus is mostly about having a bit of fun, getting to know people and a different culture, and much less about studying itself...that may not be the case in the engineering field, but i doubt that...no contest in my book

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2011 20:18:37

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

Just like Kate, I studied a year in Granada and opinions are very different.

It was fun, but the university is not something to talk about and I had serious problems with getting credits in Denmark from what I studied in Granada... the way they teach is IMHO very poor and very boring. You sit there waiting and in enters mister boring and he starts talking and you write down what he says. Then after some month, you go to an exam and you write down what mister boring told you....
I know and have known a lot of students in Spain and its like that all over the country.
I followed the flamenco course in Granada and did the exams... And it was one of the courses where I had to really struggle to get the credits for the exam... The course was intellectual and academical. Everything that flamenco is not about IMO.

If you have the money and time to go there, do it. Granada is fun and you´ll enjoy. Dont expect to get credits for a full year even though you really study. But it could be an interesting year in a long life and thats always possitive.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2011 9:11:41

Kate

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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía

RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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ORIGINAL: xirdneH_imiJ
i strongly feel that erasmus is mostly about having a bit of fun, getting to know people and a different culture, and much less about studying itself...that may not be the case in the engineering field, but i doubt that...no contest in my book

I agree totally with this. It is all about the cultural exchange.

It is also worth finding out if the credits you earn on Erasmus go towards your degree. In my case they didn't. I also had the most amazing professor at the University Jose Luis Heredía Maya, the surnames say it all, a Gypsy playwright and poet with two Doctorates his classes were fascinating. I took two modules with him on Lorca, his method was bringing flamenco artists into the class to clap out the compás of Lorca's work and bring it to life.

I agree with Anders about the flamenco course in general it is academic, but on saying that at one lecture I attended, the speaker talked with great knowledge about cante, singing examples and at one point almost crying with emotion.

We were also enrolled in a language school which was a great help. It may be worth asking if you are offered language classes in the programme.

Of course you are asking this question on a flamenco forum so we are all going to be a bit biased about your options. Flamenco would probably win every time

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2011 9:35:47

Pimientito

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Kate)

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Of course you are asking this question on a flamenco forum so we are all going to be a bit biased about your options

Yeah...forget your career! You'll only end up paying lots of taxes anyway!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2011 9:48:45

rogeliocan

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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You sit there waiting and in enters mister boring and he starts talking and you write down what he says. Then after some month, you go to an exam and you write down what mister boring told you....

lol

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2011 16:26:45

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Kate)

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Of course you are asking this question on a flamenco forum so we are all going to be a bit biased about your options. Flamenco would probably win every time

My comments were mostly based on the academical value of spanish universities. Which I think is low. You can also see that here in Spain, in general a 5 years university degree is not worth a lot. You have to study for some years more. Tesis, oposiciones, specialization etc. you do after. You cannot go out and teach language with a 5 years degree.
My personal opinion is that the spanish educational system is very poor. But the country has so many other things to offer, so if you can arrange time and money, then its a very possitive thing to go here for a year or more.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2011 8:32:14

Elie

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

Thank you guys

your opinions are much appreciated

(sorry for the late reply I didn't log to the foro recently)

I understand what you guys 'Rmn & kudo' are saying about UK and Germany ... but mates this programme only involves universities in Spain, Austria, Czech Republic, Sweden, Italy, Jordan, Belgium, France and Poland ... I'm thinking about the cities in red.

anyways as I will be graduating within a year or so, it's probably better to focus on my career more than flamenco as rogeliocan stated but at the same time I have the same feeling as richard's "erasmus is mostly about having a bit of fun, getting to know people and a different culture, and much less about studying itself" in addition I like to learn online and my field (Informatics engineering) is updated every single minute its practical not much of theory so the only benefit I'll get from the university is the degree ... I believe

Kate thank you so much for the generous info, and thank you so much for the offer as well, Pimientito your opinion is much appreciated.

I agree Anders a 5 years degree is not enough ... probably I need to do couple more years phd or master.

Deniz I agree with you about the language,thank you ... and yes Germany has a great reputation as a perfect educational system.

thank you Escribano and rombsix for your posts.

thank you all for the help guys.
hope everything goes well ... I'm preparing my papers now, aside from the erasmus programme I contacted a uni in Japan and they were very nice.

cheers guys !!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2011 20:39:08

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

I like Sweden.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2011 21:13:53

Ron.M

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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I like Sweden.

But then you'd have to chuck a pebble into the Baltic.

Not the North Sea....

I'm kinda sentimental like that LOL

cheers,

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2011 21:22:34

mrMagenta

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

I studied at the DSV (Computer Science) branch of Stockholm University, Sweden. Most of the courses I had were of good quality, but the style of education is pretty much the standard; listen to lectures, do some lab-assignments, write exams.

Would be very cool if you picked sweden and ended up in Stockholm :-) Japan is probably much more interesting though.

However.. in Sweden most people speak english as a second language, so social life could be a bit easier

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2011 22:00:30

kudo

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

France or Sweden!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2011 22:29:46

Elie

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RE: Universidad de Granada (in reply to Elie)

thank you for the input mrMagenta ... I agree with you and Anders I really think Sweden would be a great choice.

Ron that was suave

Kudo about france mmm although I have many relatives there .. but I'm not really thinking about going there, I think it is so expensive in addition for the language I'm not a big fan of French

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