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El Burdo

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My rosette

I'm quite pleased with my rosette and would like to show how I came to the design. It looks like I can only upload one picture at a time..so here goes.

The idea came from the tiles I loved in this floor at the Alcazar in Seville...

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El Burdo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 17:53:21

El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

I like the green edging from the water feature in the Alcazar, and the blue from the wall in Algeciras

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El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

and the blue from the walls in Algeciras main square...

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El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

and it turned out like this...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 17:59:48

Gimar Yestra

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

wow, thats a amazing rosette, ncie work man!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 19:01:08

TANúñez

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Very well done. I love how you took your inspiration and created a rosette from it. Work like this has meaning. Bravo.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 20:38:27

estebanana

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Oh my God somebody studied! Very nice.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 20:40:01

Andy Culpepper

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Damn, it's amazing and very unique. Nice technique of doing two rows stacked to create the larger effect. Next time get the taper right and it will look totally seamless. Very nice work.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 20:44:14

El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Thanks guys! That means a lot.

I must say, my method is very open to error - I built the rows then planed them, then thicknessed them using a scraper in a jig. Glued it up. Then threw the lot away as I'd glued them in the wrong order. THEN...did the same but right.
Thicknessing the individual rows was difficult as I couldn't always keep them perpendicular and the slices were starting to become diagonal. Then glued it up. Even though I tried, the thickness of the final stick varied by a mm or so. The taper should have been right as I'd calculated it many times but as you see it is still a bit off. Experience I hope. I half assembled it before inserting into the slot but the tiles separated a bit in the interim. I added the outer bands after the first part was glued in.

I guess I have one question; if I band saw the rows there must be a limit to the cut width? I was using 0.6mm veneers - 0.6 cut width surely would have been too slim? (though straight).

Anyway, thanks for the comments - they are just what I wanted and I am encouraged!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2011 22:39:17

Anders Eliasson

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Thats very nice.
Its good to see more "homemade" rosettes. It really turns me down to see an expensive guitar from a famous builder with a 5$ rosette made in Korea. Its totally lack of respect of the craft.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 7:57:06

Gimar Yestra

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

id love to make my own rosettes in the future, so far i havent been able to afford the ammount of veneer, and i've bene struggling with a nice design.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 14:45:08

El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

It was indeed really expensive (relatively) but I wanted to put something on the guitar which meant something to me and the rosette was the obvious choice. However, considering the amount of work involved I need to double the price...

Actually, like many others, the guitar is intended for me as I couldn't afford to buy one and I wanted to have another go at making anyway. I've got the bug though! I'll make a negra next as I have some 30 yr old rosewood and mahogany left over from my first go, 20 years ago.

Choosing a design is difficult as curves are just too imprecise if you stick to standard 0.6mm veneer size, I found. I was going to do the curves of the Plaza de Espana but it looked like Lego. The dome at Cadiz was also a choice, but...same problem.
The one I show above has a square design which was great (still had problems though!). Originally the green edging was part of the tiles but curving them would have lost too much and it occurred to me after I made the tiles that I should have used green banding..duh.
So I scraped all of the green away! But, I then decided to use the blue as well so there was a creative benefit.

Since I posted the picture I have flattened the top and lost some of the rosette as it was not square to the bottom of the slot and I'm looking at glue instead of rosette. So, this afternoon I have been gluing slivers of rosette plane shavings back.

Unfortunately, this is the way I roll and is why I will NEVER be a luthier!

But, thanks for your nice comments.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2011 16:36:16

Flamingrae

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Mmmmm.....nice rosette and a good design story behind it too. You've done it once, you can do it again. I'm inspired to get going on some visuals from Cordoba that have been waiting in the wings.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2011 0:42:16

El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Good luck with it!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2011 8:08:05

El Burdo

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

My latest rosette referring to the pomegranate and the padron pepper, two things of importance in our recent visits to S. Spain.
Lots of problems like scribing a circle with an overlarge central hole which allowed play in the radius.
I guess I'll sand that out if I can, and an annoying misplaced 'pixel' in the pepper. There is also a yellow counter-spiral which may come out with polish but it's veerry faint.
I also used a new way of referencing the height of each of the built strips - rather than build a slot, I built a wall. Obviously need a band saw to cut the slices, but that has to wait.
I know this wouldn't be acceptable for a professional guitar but it's fun to do.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 11 2014 11:02:00

Ruphus

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Hadn´t seen this thread before.

Some time back while discussing cuisine on the foro someone mentioned the merits of "grandma´s recipes", and someone else intelligently replied that it would depend on how good a grandma in question actually cooked.
I thought that to be making sense.

Similar with inspiration from historical motives. Just because them being old it mustn´t always mean finesse of design or taste.

For instance in respect of green together with blue, in German we have a saying that goes like: "Grün und Blau trägt die Sau". Indicating that these two colors don´t match well.

Accordingly the combination of black and brown, even though acceptable, doesn´t represent an all too aesthetical patch, whether history related or not.

Your second rosette therefore I like much more than the first. Specially from a distance it looks quite nice.

Last year I tried to get my head wrapped around symmetrical preconditions that it takes for accurate tiles, and yet could not.
As you are actually making some rosettes however, if I was in your place I would try and learn basics of rosette making first. It should reward your dedication with perfection.
Good luck! :O)

Ruphus

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guitarbuddha

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RE: My rosette (in reply to Ruphus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opponent_process

http://www.colormatters.com/color-and-design/basic-color-theory

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 11 2014 11:41:24

Ruphus

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RE: My rosette (in reply to El Burdo)

Determining colors in conjunction of my guitars woods I made a choice and then evaluated the result with color matching scale. Proudly discoving that my combination skills appear to be pretty good. ( Whilst my visual differenciation of minor shades must not be exacly outstanding. In the labs there were alway colleagues who were better at it than me.)
According to the scaling with an average matching value of over 50% which with so many factors seems good, I think.