Norway Killer gets off

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ToddK

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Norway Killer gets off

The guy who killed all those people in Norway copped an insanity plea,
and will not go to jail.

He will be allowed to relax in a high end Hospital for a few years.

Is that justice or what?

TK

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avimuno

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

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Elie

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

this world is going crazy

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 14:25:14

Argaith

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

I could see that coming.
They all get away with it playing loony. Poor all those souls who lost their lives and their families.

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n85ae

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

That's not what I read, what they are doing makes more sense.

He didn't plead insane, it was determined by the psychiatrists , and being
requested by the prosecutor that he be commited. This is quite different.

It is also better, because Norway has a Max 20 year sentence if found guilty
of murder, Whereas if he's insane he can be locked away for life (albeit in a
mental hospital). Also they don't have the death sentence.

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Jeff

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 15:14:04

Arash

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

This is the down side of democracy, human rights, etc.

In Iran he probably would have been hanged right away.

Now we have these two extremes and none of them is good imo.

Just puting this crazy **** in to jail forever would have been a good choice imo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 16:18:05

odinz

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

quote:

The guy who killed all those people in Norway copped an insanity plea,
and will not go to jail.

He will be allowed to relax in a high end Hospital for a few years.

Is that justice or what?

TK

This is just the only way to keep him for life in norway, and btw jail in Norway is also luxuary, they live like they would on a pretty good hotel, get really good food etc etc, my country does have a ****ty justice system.

But this is stricter than jail, if it keeps him off the streets for the rest of his life, that is good.

If we had prisons like america it would be the other way around, but here some poor people do crime so they can live in jail becasue it is a nice hotel basicly.

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odinz

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From: Sarpsborg,Norway

RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to Arash)

quote:

This is the down side of democracy, human rights, etc.

In Iran he probably would have been hanged right away.

Now we have these two extremes and none of them is good imo.

Just puting this crazy **** in to jail forever would have been a good choice imo

In norway maximum sentence is 21 years, but he would probably have gotten around 18 years,

I hate this ****head so much

If i see him on the street in 30 years im going to gut him so slowly he will have the time to read the whole bible in the time it takes.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 18:30:24

estebanana

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

Maybe he'll get food poisoning in the hospital. Maybe his stay there will not be too pleasant.

On the other hand what is happening to the survivors? How are they being treated?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 19:34:21

estebanana

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to odinz)

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If we had prisons like america it would be the other way around, but here some poor people do crime so they can live in jail becasue it is a nice hotel basicly.

They do the same thing here, but with the intention of getting deeper into a gang structure, which is a form of illegal business. It's been very difficult to keep crime organizers out of prisons. They sit in their cells and give orders to people out on the street.

The prison system in California is horrendous. Building prisons is big business and it costs the tax payers a lot of money. I'll spare the details.

I just more Norway gets some satisfaction knowing his lunatic will be locked up. Hopefully also cut off totally from the outside world.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 19:39:27

odinz

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to estebanana)

survivors, friends and families of the ones who have been killed are treated sort of nice, in the way that most people say kind fake words, politicians etc...

but many people have been terrorized with threats and bullying via electronic communication.

the survivors get some free counseling and psychiatric treatment i think, but its allreasy out that the survivors have been neglected, and it is true.

Having him off the street is great, a safe feeling especially for survivors, but in norway i wonder how much freedom he gets in jail or at a psychiatric facility, if he gets just a pen or something to draw, im affraid of what can happen to other inmates or the staff.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 29 2011 23:59:31

Stu

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

this is always interesting....

quote:

The guy who killed all those people in Norway copped an insanity plea,
and will not go to jail.

surely someone who would cut down several people including children with an automatic weapon is insane no????

jeffrey dahmers insanity plea was rejected and he got sentenced to 957 years!!.....but when you read his list of crimes and general behaviour its seems ludicrous to consider him sane!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 1 2011 0:16:36

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

First of all Breivik didnt want to be declared insane. He´s very pissed off with that diagnosis. He se himself as a Norwegian heroe and want to be treated like one.not like a nutcase.
If he ends up in a psyciatric center for lifetime, he might never get out, he´s going to be filled with all kinds of weird medication having to go through psyco tests all the time, having to talk with psyciatrists about himself all the time. Not having much comunication with the outside, if any at all. That sounds like real horror to me.

There´s a huge difference between the US and Scandinavia in many aspects. The way we do things is very different. I´m not going to judge what is right or what is wrong here. But I know that you americans know very little about how we live and how we want to live.

last: Nothing has been decided yet in the Breivik case... IT´ll most probably take a long while before something is decided.
I think the Norwegians have been absolutely fantastic in this whole case and the rest of the world could learn a lot about how its been handled by almost everyone including television and newspapers.
No matter what they´ll do with this nuthead, it´ll never bring all the dead people back to life.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 1 2011 7:32:53

Pimientito

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I agree with Anders and Odinz. The guy didn't get away with it at all. The Norweigans were clever to declare him insane. A hospital for the criminally insane is a maximum security detention centre designed to stop homicidal maniacs escaping. Its padded cells, straight jackets, drugs, force feeding and electric shocks for the rest of your life.
Prison is a breeze in comparison. As a psychiatric patient you dont even have civil rights any more. He will never be allowed to leave. Given the leniency of the judicial system this is absolutely the best outcome.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 1 2011 8:07:32

estebanana

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

So you're saying Norwegian psychologists will be able to continue to declare him unfit to be in society for the rest of his life, instead of out of jail in 15 to 18 years. Sounds correct to me.

And he is clearly a dangerous sociopath, and those like him never recover or get cured away.

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Pimientito

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to estebanana)

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So you're saying Norwegian psychologists will be able to continue to declare him unfit to be in society for the rest of his life

Exactly! The alternative is they have a 3 month media circus of a trial, he goes to a prison for 18 years with cable TV, writes a successful book or 2 and comes out rich. A hospital for the criminally insane is a place much worse than any prison and I'm quite pleased with the decision to put him there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2011 8:43:42

keith

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RE: Norway Killer gets off (in reply to ToddK)

Padded cells, straight jackets, electric shock? This may have been the reality of the early 20th century but not today--at least here in America and I suspect in Norway. I have worked in the mental health field for close to 25 years, the last 17 as a director of programs for individuals with a serious and persistent mental illness. I have had many forensic clients (people who were declared not guilty but reason of insanity--NGRI) in my programs.
Forensic patients pretty much live like a typical incarcerated person with the exception that they receive mental health treatment. If a patient becomes a danger to self or others to the point where they need to be restrained the "industry standard" is 4 point restraints (they are laid flat on a mattress with the wrists and ankles secured by leather cuffs which are attached to the metal bed frame. Patients in restraints are typically released within hours--they are not left there for days or weeks.
As to electric shock, otherwise known as ECT (electro convulsive therapy) that treatment is typically used for individuals whose depression has not responded to pharmacological treatment and is typically the last treatment modality of choice. For those receiving ECT they are put under with a short acting sedative, are given muscle relaxers and receive a short burst of electricity. Unlike the old days when patients were kept awake and held down by attendants and the patient's body flailed about the only indication that anything has occured with 'modern ECT" is that the toe twitches. ECT is pretty boring to watch unlike the scenes back in the day.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 2 2011 13:54:36