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BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 ***Voting***
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BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 ***Voting***
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(last vote on : Nov. 17 2011 15:22:03)
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El Kiko
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Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland
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RE: BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 *... (in reply to turnermoran)
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I did some listening and judging as best I could the other day, but was waiting to see if there were any more entries , I feel I should have entered after all , but listening is another way of learning and there was a lot of stuff here to like ... this was what i wrote after the first few times I heard them the other day ... Fibonacci Great Flamenco sound could be a little more definate in places , have faith in yourself , a few more dynamics to make the dramatic parts hit their mark, nicley put together. You are a good player, and has some nice chords Euler Nice punchy Rasguerdo , A bit loose in places but got into the groove well later, Definatley fulfilled the requirements of the challenge, I think this was definatley has your personality in it . al-Khowârizmi This was, I felt a bit "muddy' at times I was waiting for it to pick up but I didnt , short and to the point , I think you should do more recordings to help you hear if you get what you want.lots of promise here. I think that all though there were only 3 entries that they all did very well and I'm sure that just get it sorted out in your head for recording made you all learn something ..really well done and thanks to all 3 of you ...
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Date Oct. 26 2011 19:53:13
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xirdneH_imiJ
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Joined: Dec. 2 2006
From: Budapest, now in Southampton
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RE: BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 *... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
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first of all, congratulations Andy, you're a fine player! i have to tell i'm very disappointed at the turnout in this competition, i can't believe only one person actually took his time to prepare and record for this...of course Andy and myself, we took maybe 20 minutes with this challenge because it's material we already play and improvise...but this could've been very useful to all less experienced players... Florian and Kozz, while i really appreciate the thought, i'm sorry to say the organization wasn't on its top either, i think this voting system is bad, anyone can vote anonymously, if we can give our names, i think it's only fair that the judges give their names and their opinions too, if they don't go into technical details, it doesn't matter...more mistakes, putting the entries online hours before deadline, and especially revealing our names right after deadline had passed...so of course the voting couldn't remain totally objective...we've had something very similar before, the composing challenge was a complete failure despite Giacomo's efforts... i really liked our normal, well tried out system, it was well thought out, and the top players of the foro didn't mind giving their opinions... on the matter of the compás loop which Gimar Yestra mentioned, i chose a different loop for these reasons: 1. when this idea came a while ago and someone asked, Florian didn't have a problem with anyone using another loop...since i only decided yesterday morning that i would record something, i didn't really care to read through all the posts to make sure, my apologies; 2. i don't like the loop uploaded; 3. they weren't quick enough for my taste; 4. you can barely even hear it, does it make such a difference for you? i would understand if you actually took the effort to participate yourself; 5. i don't give a **** - we've had many competitions before and compás loops weren't an issue...there were always a couple uploaded to help those that didn't have any...i think this shouldn't be an issue in the future either, it makes no sense... incidentally - and i'm not the only one with this -, i have the sad feeling that the foro is just not what it used to be, there's less "action", interesting discussions, uploading stuff, etc...i hope this changes back to the better...
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Date Oct. 26 2011 20:34:20
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Gimar Yestra
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Joined: Jan. 19 2011
From: The Netherlands
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RE: BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 *... (in reply to kozz)
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@ xirdneH_imiJ you seem to take my comment a way too hard. I was under the impression that the idea of this challenge was for everyone to use the same loop, to make comparisons easier between each entry and maybe also to make judging each entry a bit easier. Im pretty sure this was mentioned in the first post, then again that was my understanding, maybe I got it wrong, things got a bit unclear at some points. I actually didn't participate because I could not get a feel for this loop at all, I realy did try, but didnt think my messing around would contribute to the challenge at all. If i had known sooner all loops were accepted I would have made an entry. I thinkyou do give a **** other wise you wouldn't mention, just know I didnt mean to be judgemental or rude or anything. Congrats Andy, I realy like what you did with this loop, mainly cuz I dont understand it at all, it throws me off all the time, so I can use your entry to help understand this type of loop better.
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Date Oct. 26 2011 21:36:47
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Florian
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Joined: Jul. 14 2003
From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 *... (in reply to Florian)
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quote:
Florian and Kozz, while i really appreciate the thought, i'm sorry to say the organization wasn't on its top either, i think this voting system is bad, anyone can vote anonymously, if we can give our names, i think it's only fair that the judges give their names and their opinions too, if they don't go into technical details, it doesn't matter... well i am sorry amigo...I asked ...nobody voluntered to judge (correction!.. 1 person) and i had things to do this month i wasent here very much, i didnt have time to chase people ...what would you have done ? also if you hated this voting system you should have spoken out when i was testing it...i cant read your mind...i put it up and asked...does this work ?...a couple of people said they liked it...there was nothing to indicate u didnt like it...so i used it.. how about you stop complaining about the organization like spoilt little kids, i am not the daddy, i gave an idea and tried to get you started, noone else offered so it was me or noone else.. ...it is what it is...find an obsticle ...go around it, adapt... quote:
appreciate the thought, i'm sorry to say the organization wasn't on its top either, i think this voting system is bad, anyone can vote anonymously like it or not is acctualy more reflecting of real life than any other "fair" system we had...who says that the listener that likes someone else more has to explain to you why ? and how often does that happen in real life ? anyone CAN vote...once...if enough anyones use their one vote to vote for the same guy...then hes doing something right
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Date Oct. 27 2011 14:59:04
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xirdneH_imiJ
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Joined: Dec. 2 2006
From: Budapest, now in Southampton
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RE: BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 *... (in reply to Florian)
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can't add more, what previously existed was good, they messaged people if they were willing to judge, the guidelines were clear, and generally the highlight of the challenge itself was easier to grasp...i know that's not your fault, but saying play a minute or two of basic bulerías is not acceptable for lower level players, their hands need to be held, a tab, an example of music, whatever...you can't say "just play" because they need to be more experienced...or they need to work on it, which we've now seen that they won't... next time you organize i'll help :) edit: damn edits :D Flo please don't feel bad about it, it's nothing personal of course... edit 2: since you've edited your post more than once, it makes mine look pointless...even if you're defensive, i say if it ain't broke don't fix it...and it's not a political simulator to have to reflect real life...this IS real life and we have an opportunity to make things fair which is what sadly is missing in other aspects of real life...
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Date Oct. 27 2011 15:04:27
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El Kiko
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Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland
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RE: BULERIAS COMPAS Challenge 2011 *... (in reply to kozz)
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The thing I got from posts leading up to this challenge was that , people were saying ....\ "great we dont want this annonymous system", and comments like .... quote:
Put a *pussy* beside the name of everyone who is dropping out before deadline,....... we just upload our own videos not worrying about anonymity.......and it saves alot of f*ing around ......I agree, ....I dont like secret / anonymous sh*t either ....But then leave out the "points" and judging....I am for video uploads. Or you can allow audio only first, and after the challenge is finished all videos need to be posted. etc etc ....and then after all that, people didnt enter and the whole thing became a bit laborious , I did my best to judge , I really did , , but I actually dropped out because of the confusion and that it seemed that the rules were changing all the time to cater for everyones requests, and then in the end it was said , "why didnt we use the system we had before ..." I think the system we had before was good , and it worked for that reason , and if you do a challenge it should be done like that , you dont have to enter , and you still have the right to complain ,,, I'm not getting at anyone really I'm not , and thanks to Florian for trying to get something good together , at least we learned something... Finally I would like to say thanks to Kozz , who really helped and should not be forgotten ............
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Date Oct. 27 2011 17:45:10
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