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kitarist
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 RE: Paco de Lucia at his best por So... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Further, it’s none of our business really how much the guy practices in his retirement, but the main point stands that regardless if he is working on his chops like he did as a young man, he can still do it despite his age and BMI. Honestly, I don’t think his weight comes into play in a negative way at all.
This made me realize I should have been more explicit about something: to make it clear that in all that I wrote above, the argument has nothing to do with bodyfat percentage - and I have not mentioned fat or dieting at all up-thread.
The argument is about exercising the muscles (not letting them atrophy from lack of use) and brain and practising the specialized skills, and one will keep the skills regardless of age as long one doesn't get sick.
Up to a point, fat percentage is completely irrelevant in this, so 'staying fit' has nothing to do with dieting or getting ripped ('up to a point' because at very high bodyfat % that starts to affect the rest of the human machine indirectly through diseases or directly through mechanical inability to maintain necessary posture or flexibility for guitar playing, say)
In the gym there is a joke that 'fat is the source of all strength' - because the strongest olympic weightlifters (largest absolute weight lifted) and strongest men as in highland games and even sumo wrestlers have the largest bodyfat percentages among athletes. 
The real reason for their strength is that they also have the highest absolute amount of muscle mass, which seems naturally possible only with a very significant fat going along with it.
So no, no dieting required 
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Date Jan. 24 2021 20:49:44
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Fluknu
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 RE: Paco de Lucia at his best por So... (in reply to Guest)
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This reminds me of a study in the 80's. They saw that young secreterarie's would type faster than older ones. But older ones would use their experience to compensate :knowledge of sentences, what would come after and so on. In the end, both had the same results in efficiency and speed. I quote from head, I don't remember where the study is anymore.
So there are probably some "compenstaion" mechanisms taking place with age on all levels (physical, mental, cultural).
Another thing that is sure and supported by many studies, is that what is not used (muscles, brain) gets lazy with age. So I guess a guitarist, to keep up, would certainly need to practice a lot.
Another thing is that Men are supposed to reach their full energy peak at 30 (fourty for women). Then it's going down.
From my point of view, aging occurs and it slows us down (have you ever watched an old dog?). Things can be done to limit that, but they remain quite mysterious, except for a few tips. Genetics, life events, life habits, and so on, come into play. This is really really complex. Probably we could isolate factors and imagine a domain where a guitarist would retain his full technical skills at 90. But I imagine he would still need some viagra for the after pary with the beautifull dancer.
As for me, I would be interested in a program to keep one's guitaristic skills in the afterlife and, if reincarnation exists, bring them back to their fullest, in the new life, as to build on it. That would be a trip :)
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Date Jan. 26 2021 11:23:12
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: Paco de Lucia at his best por So... (in reply to kitarist)
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I've been thinking about this post for a few days. I remember something my first flamenco guitar teacher told me. He was a professional. He said his playing/performing demanded everything he had, and more.
I know that for me, this is also true. I worked really hard to accomplish what I managed, gave it everything, physically, emotionally, intellectually. There were gigs I did where it literally took everything I had. I know this may not be true for everyone.
There are players who are so much more advanced and/or experienced that I'm sure feel differently. My teacher's playing declined significantly as he aged. By the time I met him, he was in his late sixties, and compared to recordings he made in his youth, the technique wasn't the same. And he played, practiced, or taught most every day.
I saw Sabicas perform when he was in his late 70's or perhaps his eighties. His chops were not the ones you hear on the flamenco puro record. so, I'd disagree with your opinion.
As an aside, are there any/many 80 something surgeons? I would think probably not, but I really don't know.
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their performance will reach a peak and then decline with old age
Not with guitar playing, which is what this was about. To put another way - any highly skilled performance which does not require maximum absolute physical (incl. brain functioning) effort can be maintained 'indefinitely'; playing guitar is a good example of exactly such specialized activity requiring sub-maximal physical input. In yet other words, maximum physical effort or potential may age-decline from 100% to 80% by the time someone hits 95, say, but that does not affect a skill which needs only 40% effort/input relative to max physical input. Another random example for which the same applies is walking. If all else is the same as in your 20s, including no debilitating diseases, you will continue to be just as skilled at walking as you were then.
And the 'patronizing' characterization is hilarious: you see what you want to see, I'm afraid.
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Date Jan. 26 2021 22:46:34
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