Solea Palmas

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JieXian

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From: Malaysia

Solea Palmas

Hi,

A dancer told me that (according to what she was taught) the palmas for solea are played with a 1 beat delay after the accents, so whatever would go on 12 on an alegrias (assuming the same simple palmas) would go on 1, hence the palmas will be silent on 12 3 6 8 and 10.

(Actually she showed me the timing instead of describing it in words)

Listening to the track she gave me, I coudn't help but to feel extremely confused and ... judging by what the guitarist plays, in disagreement.

Could someone please help me and clarify things for me or ... put me in my place?

Thanks you.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2011 17:46:55

Mark2

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to JieXian)

I'd stop taking advice as to compas from her............
Perhaps she was trying to put it in a way that would make sense, but simply moving alegrias palmas over a beat will not work-at all. look at some solea vids on you tube that have singing and or singing and dancing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2011 18:37:06

HolyEvil

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to JieXian)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JieXian

Hi,

A dancer told me that (according to what she was taught) the palmas for solea are played with a 1 beat delay after the accents, so whatever would go on 12 on an alegrias (assuming the same simple palmas) would go on 1, hence the palmas will be silent on 12 3 6 8 and 10.

is this meant to be be (starting on 1)
clap, clap, foot, clap, clap, foot, clap, foot, clap, foot, clap, foot?

no idea if its wrong to do that.
I think the most common is keeping 1, 4, 7, 9, 11 silent.

cheers

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2011 1:28:37

KMMI77

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to JieXian)

I count starting on 1,

1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 7 and 8 and 9 and 10 and 11 and 12 and

Palmas translates to,
1 clap clap and clap and 4 clap clap and clap and 7 clap clap and 9 clap clap and 11 clap clap and

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2011 4:56:48

chester

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to KMMI77)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KMMI77
1 clap clap and clap and 4 clap clap and clap and 7 clap clap and 9 clap clap and 11 clap clap and

Thanks for a great example KMMI77; I've highlighted of the beats I think of as the 'target' beats - I hope you don't mind.

Something that took me a while to figure out is that not all the claps are equal in importance and that they are actually grouped in little phrases with the last clap of the group being the most important.

Ergo - You can mess around with the non-bold beats as long as the bold ones land on time.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2011 5:26:02

JieXian

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to chester)

Thanks for the replies. So basically the palmas aren't counter-intuitive right? It's basically just like simple alegrias where it's the accents at the palmas' accent but played at a slower tempo right?

The alegrias shifting beat was just me trying to explain the rhythm because I don't know how to write it down. It basically means that the palmas are silent at the 12 3 6 8 10 accents, if you count starting on 1.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2011 14:24:28

Ricardo

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to JieXian)

quote:

Hi,

A dancer told me that (according to what she was taught) the palmas for solea are played with a 1 beat delay after the accents, so whatever would go on 12 on an alegrias (assuming the same simple palmas) would go on 1, hence the palmas will be silent on 12 3 6 8 and 10.

Uh no my friend. What the dancer says is clearly meaning silence AFTER the accents, not ON the accents as you indicate. So the silent beats are 1,4,7,9,11....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2011 5:12:40

JieXian

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to Ricardo)

Thanks for the reply Ricardo.

I have been expressing my confusion and asking more and more questions everytime we meet.

She even suggested that I tap my foot lightly at the "silent (palmas)" accents as a marker to help keep time. I'll ask her again to make sure.

Basically it's no different than Alegrias, only slower right?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 30 2011 16:15:42

mrMagenta

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to JieXian)

Basically yes. Only Alegrias usually moves the accent from six to seven while solea usually has a marked six.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 1 2011 7:13:16

JieXian

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RE: Solea Palmas (in reply to mrMagenta)

Ok. Thanks for your reply

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 26 2011 7:34:45