Diego del Morao Master Class, October 2011 Oakland, CA

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BAFP

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Diego del Morao Master Class, Octobe...

BAY AREA FLAMENCO: FESTIVAL FLAMENCO GITANO

Diego del Morao Master Class takes place on October 21, 22, 23 in Oakland, CA
Preregister NOW (Limited Enrollment): http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/196045

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 8 2011 21:07:12

chester

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to BAFP)

$180.00 ($187.29 w/service fee)!

Holy smokes!

Does anyone here have experience with these workshops or Diego del Morao?

I'm sure he's a great guy but I'm pretty skeptical as to the effectiveness of these group masterclasses.

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 8 2011 21:43:10

HolyEvil

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to chester)

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ORIGINAL: chester

$180.00 ($187.29 w/service fee)!

Holy smokes!

Does anyone here have experience with these workshops or Diego del Morao?

I'm sure he's a great guy but I'm pretty skeptical as to the effectiveness of these group masterclasses.

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks.

mate.. it's 180 for 3 days..
if it's 1.5 hr everyday like it says (and I think it usually go overtime, with questions and what not) , then it works out to 36 bucks per hr.. which ISN'T expensive. Even by a not famous teacher standard. I pay 70/hr with my teacher.

sessions like this, other than watching his technique, I think it's more important to get him to explain his idea on music and composition.

I'm a beginner and would not really learn much out of it technically. but ideas on music/composition can be explained even to a beginner.

Therefore I think it really is a bargain.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 0:04:59

henrym3483

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to HolyEvil)

id go in a heart beat, group courses are great if you have a keen ear, keen eye and either vid/audio record available.
gerardos works out pretty good and another group class i did with Cano was pretty cool (only 5 people) so it was almost like personal tuition.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 17:03:59

Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to BAFP)

I don't think it is bad assuming it is not a huge class. If you have more then like 10 people, then yeah that is a little expensive.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 19:11:03

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to chester)

quote:

I'm sure he's a great guy but I'm pretty skeptical as to the effectiveness of these group masterclasses.

Any insight would be appreciated.

First thing to say is that great guitarists do not always make good teachers. Geniuses in particular can be problematic, because they can’t remember what it was like to find anything difficult. I have no information as to whether Diego is good or bad in this respect.

What I would say is that a lot of people go to a masterclass expecting music to be pushed into them. This is not the way to get the most out of it.

Before you go, ask yourself what you need from it. Know what your deficiencies are, and what information you need most. Know what you don’t know. Then when you go, pull it out of the teacher. Remember, he doesn’t know you Myrtle McTurtle and has no idea what your problems are. Most teachers would much rather be told what their students need, than try to teach some generic class they hope will sort of help everybody.

I am not, of course, talking of classes with a set curriculum; but even those usually have some sort of question-and-answer session you can use if you go prepared.

Hope this helps.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 19:31:12

Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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Know what you don’t know. Then when you go, pull it out of the teacher.

Good advice. Only warning I have in this regard is don't go expecting a certain answer. You may have a good question, but the truth about it may be surprising, counter intuitive, or totally opposite to your expectation. Keep focused, but open minded at the same time.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 19:46:25

elgreco

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to chester)

Yotam,

Do not even think about it. Having the real deal teaching is 100 times better than your local teacher. (Even if it is Jason :))) My experience with Chuscales was amazing. He showed me tricks that you would otherwise learn only if you lived in Spain. However, you can always do the drop-in the first day and try it, before you commit to the entire workshop. I already got my tickets.

Un abrazo
D.

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Don Diego from San Fernando.
Don Francisco from San Jose.
Don Fernando from San Diego.
Don Jose from San Bernardino.
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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 21:17:30

chester

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to elgreco)

I hear what you're saying re 'real deal' (although Jason in my opinion is a lot more than just a flamenco guitarist) but I'm still skeptical about the effectiveness of these group lessons.

Case in point - "I already got my tickets".

No offense Dino, but I've been playing guitar my whole life and can give you enough material to work on for years. Something that is new to you is not necessarily new to me. If I'm going to invest $180 in guitar-related education I want it to be more than just the novelty of sitting closely to a famous (to us anyway) guitarist.

Funny you should mention Chusco. I've actually been to a workshop lead by him and it was awful. He actually gave up on teaching (granted the students were all beginners and were doing horribly) and played a set with his Cajon player (Jiji). It was a great set but I didn't learn anything.

My concern is that I don't need to learn anything related to technique, nor do I need someone to show me how to keep compas por buleria. What I'd really like to work on harmony and composition; understanding substitutions better and being able to make up interesting progressions on the fly. I honestly don't think a mixed-level masterclass is the right forum for these goals.

I apologize if I'm being a naysayer here and by no means am I trying to convince anyone not to go to this masterclass, this is completely a personal question and I appreciate all you who've given their two cents.

BTW- Paul, a while ago you suggested to someone to learn Campanas del Alba instead of the usual Recuerdos. I've been meaning to post a recording of me playing this amazingly beautiful piece and thank you for introducing it to me. One of these days...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 23:31:09

elgreco

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to chester)

No offense taken. The workshop supposedly aims advanced intermediate players. But I guess it all depends on the majority of the people that will attend. No matter who you are I do not think that it would be a waste of time/money. On the other hand I am sure you can and perhaps you should try to do privates with him while he is here. That is what I had with Chusco. But so far I have had good experience with workshops too.

Hope to see you soon
D.

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ORIGINAL: chester

I hear what you're saying re 'real deal' (although Jason in my opinion is a lot more than just a flamenco guitarist) but I'm still skeptical about the effectiveness of these group lessons.

Case in point - "I already got my tickets".

No offense Dino, but I've been playing guitar my whole life and can give you enough material to work on for years. Something that is new to you is not necessarily new to me. If I'm going to invest $180 in guitar-related education I want it to be more than just the novelty of sitting closely to a famous (to us anyway) guitarist.

Funny you should mention Chusco. I've actually been to a workshop lead by him and it was awful. He actually gave up on teaching (granted the students were all beginners and were doing horribly) and played a set with his Cajon player (Jiji). It was a great set but I didn't learn anything.

My concern is that I don't need to learn anything related to technique, nor do I need someone to show me how to keep compas por buleria. What I'd really like to work on harmony and composition; understanding substitutions better and being able to make up interesting progressions on the fly. I honestly don't think a mixed-level masterclass is the right forum for these goals.

I apologize if I'm being a naysayer here and by no means am I trying to convince anyone not to go to this masterclass, this is completely a personal question and I appreciate all you who've given their two cents.

BTW- Paul, a while ago you suggested to someone to learn Campanas del Alba instead of the usual Recuerdos. I've been meaning to post a recording of me playing this amazingly beautiful piece and thank you for introducing it to me. One of these days...

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Don Diego from San Fernando.
Don Francisco from San Jose.
Don Fernando from San Diego.
Don Jose from San Bernardino.
Luis Obispo from Bakersfield.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 23:55:10

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 0:10:09

KMMI77

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to BAFP)

The part i found most helpful when attending group classes with one of the top guys is being able to see them play live in person.

It helps build that mental picture of just how they are touching the guitar. Having mics and studio recordings removed from the picture is a real treat. Hearing what their guitar sounds like, how hard they are playing, the sound they are producing, seeing their left and right hand in live operation. All those things that can be deceiving when listening to a recording or watching a video.

This is the best part about hanging out with a great player. If you pick up a falseta or some rhythm etc.. then that's a bonus.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 7:45:11

XXX

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to KMMI77)

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ORIGINAL: KMMI77

The part i found most helpful when attending group classes with one of the top guys is being able to see them play live in person.

It helps build that mental picture of just how they are touching the guitar. Having mics and studio recordings removed from the picture is a real treat. Hearing what their guitar sounds like, how hard they are playing, the sound they are producing, seeing their left and right hand in live operation. All those things that can be deceiving when listening to a recording or watching a video.

This is the best part about hanging out with a great player. If you pick up a falseta or some rhythm etc.. then that's a bonus.

1000%
I never learned heaps of falsetas from these workshops. Even the videos i recorded i never revisited after the workshop. But seeing a very good player at a close distance was benefit enough and if its Diego Morao i think it is out of the question that your compas will improve. No offense, but theres noone on this forum who wouldnt profit from Diego showing him compas por buleria.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 8:05:39

rombsix

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to XXX)

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Even the videos i recorded i never revisited after the workshop.

FedEx them to me.

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No offense, but theres noone on this forum who wouldnt profit from Diego showing him compas por buleria.

Can he play Stairway to Heaven por buleria?

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XXX

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to rombsix)

Oh, i wasnt meaning the Diego workshop, more like workshops in general.
I hope youre kidding about the Stairway... he could play the national anthem of Lebanon por buleria and you wouldnt even recognize hehe, he is one of the best bulerias players in his segment IMO.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 16:01:51

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to chester)

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Paul, a while ago you suggested to someone to learn Campanas del Alba instead of the usual Recuerdos. I've been meaning to post a recording of me playing this amazingly beautiful piece and thank you for introducing it to me. One of these days...

You’re welcome. FWIW I love all of Eduardo Sainz de la Maza’s music, there’s a great album of it (including Campanas) by Alex Garrobé:

https://www.fretsonly.com/fretshop/eduardo-sainz-de-la-maza-obras-para-guitarra.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 19:50:54

bule_b

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RE: Diego del Morao Master Class, Oc... (in reply to BAFP)

Its very subjective.
I saw some videos of a masterclass held by Jeronimo and it looked like a real crapshoot. I even attended one by Tino but didn't learn from it.

I would attend this one simply because I'd want to watch this guy play .... but anyone saying that you can gain compas and gauge the attack of the player is smoking some good weed ... there i sbetter chance of picking up tricks an dcompas by watching videos and being able to slow them down and loop them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2011 7:06:44